Bundles not working, what else is new...

[jlaudon]

I have to chime in, as I tried to set up a bundle to use with every project - everything went haywire (weird assignments, esp to Ableton). I've noticed that about half the time, when I had set up a song and fixed the assignments, when I opened it the next time, a lot of the VI MIDI inputs were grayed out or assigned to something else. I just select in the long drop down menu again - it gets to be a bit of a time consumer on big projects though. The toontrack stuff is especially buggy in this situation.

[James Steele]

Well since the OP has thus far not seemed to interesting in getting back to us with his system specs or any more detail, it looks to me as if he was more interested in blowing off steam than trying to find answers. Hence... off to the "Gripes" forum.

[newrigel]

Unfortunately saved mixer presets (user) do not save output assignments, only volume/pan/mute type data. I would love it if TT would change that and I've suggested it to them.

Yes, bundles get messed up and duplicated in weird ways whenever something goes on- or off-line. I have to switch to mLan when printing audio from my S90-ES and bundles are all messed up when I go back to MAS.

That's why I said "hopefully"... but I go around all the BS and do it as I stated and it rips just as good as assigning every output to a bus. Really, the only thing you need to treat are kicks and snares. There's no verb in the mixer in TT VI's (except the actual environment they were recorded in) so I just isolate those and move on. Any tweaking of each element I can do on the total drum mix within the VI's mixer. The kicks and snares get the real treatments in DP's mixer.

[jmca]

Okay, okay, everybody who's sensitive take a cold shower.

I haven't been available to respond to my email the last few days so I didn't see the topic responded email.

I'm not stating DP sucks, although there is plenty of things that kind of "Suck" about it, but hey what DAW doesn't have that. For the one poster, I guess you are correct in that this should be in the rant and rave area. The reason I don't find this bundles issue discussable is that it's already been in discussion plenty of times since 2006. Everybody has suggestions to work around it, but the real point is that: this really shouldn't need to be discussed, it should be fixed and integrated into DP, especially since it's been going on since 2006. For some, this issue is not a prob and little workarounds are fine. For my million v-instrument situation the workarounds are just not feasible. I know people will start pointing their fingers at the v-instruments themselves saying they are not built correctly. But the fact is I don't have this prob with any other DAWS. So that leads me to state DP has a flawed integration of v-instruments.

BTW, My setup is Mac Osx 10.5.8, DP 7.1.

For the DP squealers that are hopelessly in love with DP, DP is a good DAW. And it's REALLY good for certain type of productions. But DP is also very VERY behind in the current minimalistic direction that many other DAW's are trying to take. DP's UI architecture is very backwards and breaks just about every standard. Wherever you think something is, more than likely it is not there. I know I'm concentration on the bad, but unfortunately the bad is a real work flow killer which drives me and many others to other DAW's when time and money is on the line.

Either way, I really look forward to see the direction DP takes in the future. Now that my DP is crashing with 7.1, my bundles issue is kind of dwarfed, so I'm kind of dealing with that right now.

[Dan Walsh]

[quote="jmca"] For the one poster, I guess you are correct in that this should be in the rant and rave area.

That would be the list owner BTW.

[FMiguelez]

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Because of the way I use DP, I depend on audio bundles A LOT. I use them and abuse them all the time, and they work PERFECTLY for me, with tons of VIs, etc. I import and export them and I have not ever had any issues there. So do not say that "they don't work". You mean they don't work FOR YOU!

So if you have so many gripes with DP, and you don't even like the IU, and have used and tested so many other "more modern" DAWs, why don't you just use those other wonderful apps instead of DP? Why are you still wasting your time with this little toy?

I mean, you don't even want to discuss your problem you are posting about here, so WHAT is your point?

[KEVORKIAN]

I use Superior Drummer a lot and I have seen this issue as well. I don't think it is a DP issue, I think this is on Toontrack to fix as it appears to have something to do with SD2 not reporting multichannel outputs to DP when the project is loading.

Addictive Drums does not exhibit this behavior.

Toontrack is a good company but I am certain they barely test and understand DP. If you look at their forums you will see the section where they explain how to set up DAWs and the moderator basically admits as much in a few posts.

If anything we should post over there and ask them to look into this issue.

In the meantime, I have gotten around this entirely by using Superior Drummer in Bidule.

[Shooshie]

Okay, okay, everybody who's sensitive take a cold shower.

...although there is plenty of things that kind of "Suck" about it

...So that leads me to state DP has a flawed integration of v-instruments.

...the DP squealers that are hopelessly in love with DP

...DP is also very VERY behind in the current minimalistic direction that many other DAW's are trying to take.

...DP's UI architecture is very backwards and breaks just about every standard.

...unfortunately the bad is a real work flow killer which drives me and many others to other DAW's when time and money is on the line.


...Now that my DP is crashing with 7.1, my bundles issue is kind of dwarfed, so I'm kind of dealing with that right now.

You need a good dose of reading the F'ing manual. And a good dose of reality. Plus, you might get more help and more consideration if you changed your F'ing attitude a bit regarding us "DP squealers." You really don't know anything about us or about DP, which is perfectly evident in all that you write. Call back when you know something.

Shooshie

[HCMarkus]

The only squealing 'round my studio is emitted by my clients when they hear how great the stuff I do for them in DP sounds.

[jmca]

You need a good dose or reading the F'ing manual. And a good dose of reality. Plus, you might get more help and more consideration if you changed your F'ing attitude a bit regarding us "DP squealers." You really don't know anything about us or about DP, which is perfectly evident in all that you write. Call back when you know something.

I guess I'm not living in reality then shoosh old pal. Whenever somebody seems that insecure about their software to not be aware of it's flaws, it's kind of a bit odd. I guess that's why DP is used by less then 5% of pro and home studios, since DP doesn't seem to: listen to it's users, research what's currently on the market, possesses an insecure user base. Since I'm not allowed to state frustrating issues here I guess that's why DP fails to progress. If I can't state issues here, really where the heck is anybody supposed to state? I didn't shaft DP, I am frustrated by ongoing issues (yes others have the same issues, I'm not alone, and others might have a sweet old time) that haunt DP from release to release. But since a DP complaint equals a direct insult to their mother, well, I feel bad for DP's future. Much of progress is directly from user frustrations.

[Shooshie]

You need a good dose or reading the F'ing manual. And a good dose of reality. Plus, you might get more help and more consideration if you changed your F'ing attitude a bit regarding us "DP squealers." You really don't know anything about us or about DP, which is perfectly evident in all that you write. Call back when you know something.

I guess I'm not living in reality then shoosh old pal. Whenever somebody seems that insecure about their software to not be aware of it's flaws, it's kind of a bit odd. I guess that's why DP is used by less then 5% of pro and home studios, since DP doesn't seem to: listen to it's users, research what's currently on the market, possesses an insecure user base. Since I'm not allowed to state frustrating issues here I guess that's why DP fails to progress. If I can't state issues here, really where the heck is anybody supposed to state? I didn't shaft DP, I am frustrated by ongoing issues (yes others have the same issues, I'm not alone, and others might have a sweet old time) that haunt DP from release to release. But since a DP complaint equals a direct insult to their mother, well, I feel bad for DP's future. Much of progress is directly from user frustrations.

It's not about DP. It's about the people who come to this forum to help. It happens that most of us don't have the problems you talk about, and for good reason: we know how to use DP.

That's not to say we don't get them from time to time, but that most of the time we avoid major problems by knowing our way around in the software. It's not Garageband. You have to learn some things.

And if you want to learn some things, you don't come in here with that kind of attitude. Have you even one time asked how one deals with these things? If you believe that MOTU should have written code that works perfectly for every possible combination of software on any possible system with every possible kind of modification to that system, 100% of the time, then you really are not living in reality.

When you can get off your troll horse and humble yourself to admitting that you've got problems that you can't handle, and stating some specifics about your system (plugins you use, hardware you use, modifications you've made, interfaces, extensions, drivers, etc.), and tell us how it happens that you end up getting such random bundle assignments, and finally, asking for a little help, you might one day discover that you can work in DP with very few errors of any kind.

We ALL get frustrated from time to time, but most of us don't waste the other members' time spouting off how much we hate DP, and calling those who've figured out how to use it 99.9% error free "DP squealers."

So, until you decide to join those whom you continue to insult, F-you with a Logic manual, "old pal."

Shooshie

[newrigel]

You need a good dose or reading the F'ing manual. And a good dose of reality. Plus, you might get more help and more consideration if you changed your F'ing attitude a bit regarding us "DP squealers." You really don't know anything about us or about DP, which is perfectly evident in all that you write. Call back when you know something.

I guess I'm not living in reality then shoosh old pal. Whenever somebody seems that insecure about their software to not be aware of it's flaws, it's kind of a bit odd. I guess that's why DP is used by less then 5% of pro and home studios, since DP doesn't seem to: listen to it's users, research what's currently on the market, possesses an insecure user base. Since I'm not allowed to state frustrating issues here I guess that's why DP fails to progress. If I can't state issues here, really where the heck is anybody supposed to state? I didn't shaft DP, I am frustrated by ongoing issues (yes others have the same issues, I'm not alone, and others might have a sweet old time) that haunt DP from release to release. But since a DP complaint equals a direct insult to their mother, well, I feel bad for DP's future. Much of progress is directly from user frustrations.

WOW... You pissed Shooshie off dude? Infrickingcreadible he he.
I think that since you can't use this DAW and have a really bad disposition with us as users in general I think you should stay with the DAW your using but I don't care really who or what you may do, I have really made an attempt to be concerned with your issues but it seems you just want to be difficult... Take care bro.

[jmca]

You need a good dose or reading the F'ing manual. And a good dose of reality. Plus, you might get more help and more consideration if you changed your F'ing attitude a bit regarding us "DP squealers." You really don't know anything about us or about DP, which is perfectly evident in all that you write. Call back when you know something.

I guess I'm not living in reality then shoosh old pal. Whenever somebody seems that insecure about their software to not be aware of it's flaws, it's kind of a bit odd. I guess that's why DP is used by less then 5% of pro and home studios, since DP doesn't seem to: listen to it's users, research what's currently on the market, possesses an insecure user base. Since I'm not allowed to state frustrating issues here I guess that's why DP fails to progress. If I can't state issues here, really where the heck is anybody supposed to state? I didn't shaft DP, I am frustrated by ongoing issues (yes others have the same issues, I'm not alone, and others might have a sweet old time) that haunt DP from release to release. But since a DP complaint equals a direct insult to their mother, well, I feel bad for DP's future. Much of progress is directly from user frustrations.

It's not about DP. It's about the people who come to this forum to help. It happens that most of us don't have the problems you talk about, and for good reason: we know how to use DP.

That's not to say we don't get them from time to time, but that most of the time we avoid major problems by knowing our way around in the software. It's not Garageband. You have to learn some things.

And if you want to learn some things, you don't come in here with that kind of attitude. Have you even one time asked how one deals with these things? If you believe that MOTU should have written code that works perfectly for every possible combination of software on any possible system with every possible kind of modification to that system, 100% of the time, then you really are not living in reality.

When you can get off your troll horse and humble yourself to admitting that you've got problems that you can't handle, and stating some specifics about your system (plugins you use, hardware you use, modifications you've made, interfaces, extensions, drivers, etc.), and tell us how it happens that you end up getting such random bundle assignments, and finally, asking for a little help, you might one day discover that you can work in DP with very few errors of any kind.

We ALL get frustrated from time to time, but most of us don't waste the other members' time spouting off how much we hate DP, and calling those who've figured out how to use it 99.9% error free "DP squealers."

So, until you decide to join those whom you continue to insult, F-you with a Logic manual, "old pal."

Shooshie

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Never said I hated DP. I'm not married to it. It is a tool for which I use often and try to look at it and it's features objectively. Sometimes that leads to praises of "that works exactly how it should" or "That's a pretty cool feature". Sometimes frustrations of "who thought of this work flow", or "Why is that doing that now but wasn't before? [randomness]".

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You assume wrong. I've been using DP for 5 years. I know the majority of it's ins and outs, as well as it's work-arounds, it's perks, and it's quirks. Just because I haven't been on the DP forums doesn't mean I just picked up the software. I'm not on the Microsoft Word forums, so I guess I don't know jack about that either.

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Garageband, lame as it is, at least has a smarter work-flow. Both programs could learn a few things from each other.

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My attitude I came with was fed-up-ness, more of a "come on already", especially since users are seeing a recurring crash issue with 7.1. No hatred. Just pent up un-resolved MOTU issues, not USER issues. Again, directed towards MOTU and not it's users (which is also me).

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Obviously no software can be 100%, I never expected that or claimed that it should be. I DO expect the software to progress, especially since it's supposed to be considered Pro grade. Especially issues that have been around for a few years/releases.

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If I can't handle a prob, I ask for help. Most of the issues at the moment are nothing new, just never rectified. Users (specifically from this forum) have been annoyed by some of the same things. These things have been discussed to no resolve by MOTU.

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I'm insulting only the sensitive DP boners, which probably is you Shoosh. You should probably get out and check out some of the software out there. There's some good advancements happening and you seem to be a bit closed minded.

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Logic has it's probs, maybe a bit bloated, but they are definitely more forward thinking and innovative then DP at the moment.

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You know you don't have to waste your time with this post. Simply don't read/respond to the thread. It's pretty easy.

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Again, just because I just joined the forum, it doesn't mean I just joined DP. There is a decent size user base that doesn't even glance at this forum. Not shafting the forum, just get some perspective.

Friends forever with Shooshie.

[jmca]

WOW... You pissed Shooshie off dude? Infrickingcreadible he he.
I think that since you can't use this DAW and have a really bad disposition with us as users in general I think you should stay with the DAW your using but I don't care really who or what you may do, I have really made an attempt to be concerned with your issues but it seems you just want to be difficult... Take care bro.

Thanks for the trying to open conversation to resolve. I kind of got side tracked with Shooshie. My original topic was about frustration towards MOTU and not the users, in which I am one. The original issue of bundles, I just deal with it as I always have. The reason my situation promotes this ongoing prob is that I switch audio hardware constantly due to on location situations as well as a plethora of certain plugins. Some plugins always work as expected others do not. But the ones that do not have a prob mainly have the issue with DP and not other DAWS on the market. I do not hate DP, but sometimes you get pissed at your wife or one of your many wives. When I'm in the part of the year where I stick with one setup, things tend to run smoothly. Otherwise, DP is not the ideal on location software. At least not for me and many of my associates.

[Shooshie]

Friends forever with Shooshie.

Awww... how sweet. Well, maybe we can learn some things from you. And what's this app you speak of? Logic? Is it new? Maybe we could learn something from it, too. What a great idea! Garageband has a better workflow than DP? Man, I'm just learning stuff hand-over-fist here. I'm so glad to know that. And to think... I've got it right here on my system where I could use it instead of DP! Oh, never mind. I threw it out. Sorry.

Well, I'm sure glad we're friends now. I'll have to check out this Agogic DAW of which you speak. Wups, I mean Logic. Can I get it from a Warez site? Do they have a PDF manual?

What about some of those other DAWs like Assid or Cuball? There's one called Pro-tudes that I've been meaning to check out, but I hear it's a little more expensive than DP. Then there's Propellorhead's Recoil, and Presonus's Stew-for-One. I'll bet they have really smart workflows, don't they?

Can I still get Opcode's Studio Fishin'? What about Innuendo? It sounds awfully subtle. Must be one of those new-direction DAWs that are so smart.

Maybe I'll know more about all this stuff when I've been using it for 5 years. Sorry to have misunderestimated you, jmca.

Shooshie