Saw DP7.1 at NAMM Today!!!

[toodamnhip]

Usually...not always....but in general...kernal panics point to hardware incompatibility issues. Or at least incompatibilities in how the software drivers that control the hardware interact with programs. So I would start making sure all hardware drivers are up to date. All audio driver, video card drivers, etc...And also I have seen RAM chips going bad lead to "hard to find" kernal panic issues.

I know. The only thing changed before my last kernel panic was the upgrade to DP 7.02. It never happened again. I consider it a coincidence for now.

All three (two crashes and the kernel panic) mentioned happened in front of the client. He is a great guy and understands that no software is perfect. We lost about an hour of work total which is unacceptable for a professional application IMHO. When I was working with Logic, I had a few crashes too, but not a single bit of work was lost.

Losing an hr of work is unacceptable, of course. But why didn't you save my brotha?

[NashvilleJoe]

your savetime story seems a bit odd to me....- i am working on a track with bass, drums piano, rhodes, b3 and a guide vocal- 20.6MB project file and my saves are instantaneous- i am running Mach V, Kontakt, Superior Drummer, B4- and a dozen waves plugins- I will start overdubs this week- and don't expect any changes in performance. i haven't had any significant save times since my Blue & White G3 running DP 2.xx

well, I suppose that might suggest save time doesn't necessarily have a link to project file size. However, the AU data size in the project I was referring to would be considerably higher than your example. In the project I was referring to, I had a complete orchestral mock-up loaded with at least 16 instances of Kontakt alone.

i spent the last year working on an album with many many tracks- dozens of instances of waves, Kontakt, Mach V ect ect ect- and have never had those types of save times- IMHO- me thinks your problem is following you from system to system

[michkhol]

Losing an hr of work is unacceptable, of course. But why didn't you save my brotha?

The total was one hour meaning 3 times by about 20 min. I try to save as often as I can but it is not always possible to wait 10+ sec for each save in the middle of heavy editing with the client auditioning each step. And it was like the kernel panic and the crash one day and the crash next day. Bad impression.

[toodamnhip]

Losing an hr of work is unacceptable, of course. But why didn't you save my brotha?

The total was one hour meaning 3 times by about 20 min. I try to save as often as I can but it is not always possible to wait 10+ sec for each save in the middle of heavy editing with the client auditioning each step. And it was like the kernel panic and the crash one day and the crash next day. Bad impression.

Well bro,
I have always had the same scene with clients and I'm sorry but I save ALWAYS.
My motto is this:
If I like something I've done and would not want to lose it...

SAVE.

That was a very expensive 10 seconds you saved...

Perhaps you might re-think your operating basis?

[martian]

sorry - but I totally agree - it is easy to forget to save - especially when u laying down a bunch of hit chops..

and waiting 10 secs seems like an eternity especially when every one in the room is grooving..

it's like taking it off the boil.. and slightly disruptive.. so we make a compromise.. and dont save so often.

20 meg in one sec from RAM sounds like a bit of a generalization .... but actually why does it take min 10 s "+" to save..

the file is only at largest for me 8 megs -

yes I have networked drives - but even if they aint mounted..

how do I get the speedy save?

[songsmith]

Regarding crashes, I have an update. It still requires further testing, but initial tests are interesting. Someone on another forum told me to try removing the MOTU Dynamics plug-ins from my project. He reported that he had crashes with that plug-in, so I yanked them and substituted with Waves C1 gates and compressors. After that I have been trying to crash the session by making crazy moves... no crashes tonight. Could this really be my problem? Here I was avoiding using my Waves plug-ins so I don't have to bring my iLok anywhere outside my house (with my laptop), but it looks like I need them after all. I'm not yet certain I have a crash proof system, but couldn't have done all the wacky jumping around in my session with the old setup even though the CPU meter was not hitting the ceiling.

Anyone else see anything like this? All you folks with rock-solid systems... do you use the MOTU Dynamics gates and compressors?

[kassonica]

Pretty much never use the dynamics plugin, but interesting to note it, thanks

[newrigel]

can i ask what your typical session size is?

we are on average 4- 6 meg..

I see your point about merging - but dont reallt work for us - as we doing 20 min reels..

a slow load and long save - arent killers - as some one correctly stated- the last version of 6.03 really has been acceptably stable - ie one or 2 crashes a week ( one week = approx 6 days x 8-14 hours depending on how lucky u are )

so that one crash every 30 hours of run time ( YMMV!!!)

however - it does occasionally "go slow" and sometimes we have to use save as as regular save is stuffed upsomething about a permissions error - ( network drive ejection seems to provoke these errr errors )

on the bright side - I get to write all these lovely posts whilst waiting..

ahhh

so was ricky gervais really that bad last night? he's a fat little man!

5 to 6 megs... and I use K and SD and all kinds of VI's. That is just way too long for a save IMO. I'd try to use a utility like onyx or something to clear out those cache files or something. Do you defrag when it needs it? That's crazy !
And your loosing a lot of accumulated productive time too if you work off the clock.

[newrigel]

i also am conscientious about keeping my soundbite folder cleaned up- i can see that DP seems to slow down as those unused soundbites start to pile up. 20 seconds for a save is ridiculous IMHO

j

I'll tell you Joe... if it ain't on the timeline it's not going to be so it's GONE!

[kassonica]

I'll tell you Joe... if it ain't on the timeline it's not going to be so it's GONE!

+1 I delete as much as I can along the way.

[FutureLegends]

Regarding crashes, I have an update. It still requires further testing, but initial tests are interesting. Someone on another forum told me to try removing the MOTU Dynamics plug-ins from my project.

That was me
I had issues in, I believe DP5.1-something, where just opening the Dynamic plug-in window would just crash DP. It was so obvious it was the Dynamics plug and it only happened with it, no other plug-ins. But since MW Leveler came I use that exclusively (or on my studio computer UAD plugs) so I have just assumed it was fixed by now. But obviously there seems to still be issues with the Dynamics plug!

Please report back if it continues to not crash.

Until then, for everyone else, Beware of the Dynamics plug!

[Mark Walmsley]

I never use the motu dynamics plugs and am one of the lucky ones with incredible stability and fast save times.

[martian]

i am doing cartoon series this month and have used moto dynamics on dialog in 20 odd 22 minute shows and no issues to speak of...


regardin long save times..

I also select unused - remove and flush - it doesnt make much diff,,

this is a brand new drive I am saving to - still another 750 virgin gig to go... so not defrag? ( actually it's like this on all drives - so scratch the drive has problem theory)

system drive? but my imac's have the same issue - as well as the mac book pro I am trying 7.02 out on... ( brand new mac book pro

I heard of onynx - but which caches are likey to have an effect?

but then again same issue on 3 diff machines?

one commonality... the project file .,. anyone want to try reel 1 -

paste this link for mobile me d/load ---> files.me.com/mcmrc/qjgkkb <- thats a link)

more than 5 + mins to open... ( no audio files are attached.. tho that wont make a diff - just report offline )


how long for a "fast" machine to save these suckers?

ok I have one none moto plug - thats artsacoustic.. but on small projects its super fast to save... ( so not network related )

[charlesparente]

one commonality... the project file .,. anyone want to try reel 1 -

paste this link for mobile me d/load ---> files.me.com/mcmrc/qjgkkb <- thats a link)

more than 5 + mins to open... ( no audio files are attached.. tho that wont make a diff - just report offline )

Hi:

I was able to open both the 'r1 v127 int logo' DP file
and the 'r3 v107 copy' DP file in under 30 seconds using DP 7.02.
I didn't try the other files.
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Regarding crashes, I have an update. It still requires further testing, but initial tests are interesting. Someone on another forum told me to try removing the MOTU Dynamics plug-ins from my project. He reported that he had crashes with that plug-in, so I yanked them and substituted with Waves C1 gates and compressors. After that I have been trying to crash the session by making crazy moves... no crashes tonight.

If those crashes were fixed by yanking the Motu Dynamics plugins, then please let motu know about it!

Open a tech link and send motu those crash logs, for the benefit of everyone.
The built-in Motu plugs should be the most stable ones in our collections, I think.

best,
Charles

[martian]

Hi:

I was able to open both the 'r1 v127 int logo' DP file
and the 'r3 v107 copy' DP file in under 30 seconds using DP 7.02.
I didn't try the other files.

Charles

hi charles thanks for that..

it's interesting/ good to hear. i dont mind being wrong ( good job really )

and are the saves equally fast?

why do you think my brand new mac book pro on 10.6.1 is so slow opening? ( i think I got 4gig RAM in there )

it's also crawling on my mac pro dual 3ghz -

everythin else is fine - great infact! just slow saves and loads.. seeing as I havent crashed in about a week it's not massive - and I can sllip it into my work flow (unless director in room then gets a bit nervy )