De-esser in DP 7 ?

[Gone To Lunch]

Simply, is there a De-esser in DP 7 ?

[kassonica]

Not really

However there are some presets in the MW compressor, that may help you.

[rodger1811]

Before I got a good De-Esser, I used EQ a lot of times. I would sweep and notch it out or setup a sidechain with a compressor and tame it that way. Now I use the Universal Audio Precision De-Esser and I love it!

[jlaudon]

I've found that automating the volume on the sss is the most natural result, but it takes time (I also have the Waves and UAD de-essers).

[waxman]

UAD Precision De-Esser +1

[towerproductions]

UAD De-Esser but I also do the volume automation as well for results.

[Phil O]

If all you have is DP plugs you can make a de-esser with the Dynamics plug. Duplicate the vocal track you want to de-ess and set it's output to a buss. Use that buss as the side-chain input for the Dynamics plug (placed on the original vocal track). Now EQ the duplicated track so that just the esses come through. You're now sending those esses to the side chain of the Dynamics plug. As an alternative to duplicating the vocal track, you could also route the signal through an aux track (with appropriate EQ) using a send.

Phil

[dpdan]

Remember that esses usually are not dynamic like vocal loudness.
Regardless of how loud or soft the singer sings,... their esses are usually the same volume.
Dan

[Phil O]

Remember that esses usually are not dynamic like vocal loudness.
Regardless of how loud or soft the singer sings,... their esses are usually the same volume.
Dan

I'm missing your point on this, Dan. Could you elaborate? I get the feeling this may be important to this discussion, even if only slightly off topic.

Phil

[Phil O]

PS. I tried the technique that I described previously with the Rocket compressor from Stillwell. Works great!

Phil

[dpdan]

Hi Phil,
If you have a solution that works that's great.

The thing that I wanted to point out, (if one doesn't have a specific de-esser plugin) is drawing a sharp "V" in the soundbite's EQ gain automation which will quickly cut the gain of an EQ set with a very narrow bandwidth..., this will probably yield better results. And assuming the frequency is dead on for the es' pitch, this will be more time consuming, but will better.
Once you draw a nice V that works well, you can copy it and paste it over all the esses.
It is good to realize that the "S" sound produced by a vocalist is usually the same volume regardless of the notes being sung. So, if this (home-made) de-esser was post volume automation, it would not be as effective.

I know this kind of anal editing is not for sissies,,, but the results are great, it just depends on how perfect one wants it to be.

just my 2 cents
Dan

[Timeline]

In the Waves renaissance plugs their Deesser I find blows away UA or anything I can manufacture out of a multi-band DP plug but it's not cheap.

[Phil O]

Come back, GTL. It's ok, we're always like this. I guess the answer to your original question is, "No." But there seems to be an endless supply of options for you. Let us know what kind of work you're doing and we'll probably throw even more ideas at you. If you're on a tight budget, the Stillwell stuff is great bang for the buck, but I don't think he has a de-esser. Maybe if we put bug in Scott's ear, he'll come up with one. Also check out the free plug-in/VI sticky. There might be something there.

Phil

[waxman]

In the Waves renaissance plugs their Deesser I find blows away UA or anything I can manufacture out of a multi-band DP plug but it's not cheap.

I use both Waves and UAD... I prefer the UAD

[Phil O]

I know this kind of anal editing is not for sissies,,, but the results are great, it just depends on how perfect one wants it to be.

just my 2 cents
Dan

But, you are right, Dan. I wouldn't call fussy editing "anal," just good engineering. Sometimes to get really good results there are simply no shortcuts. But of course, when cost is a concern the shortcuts become necessary. A de-esser is one of those items I usually put in the "shortcut" category. I totally agree with you that careful automation usually yields better results for esses and also pops.

Phil