guitar amp simulator software for use with DP

[donreynolds]

I figured you'd be the first reply James. I'm Just saying..They sound good...Also!

[KEVORKIAN]

The best Metal tones in a plugin (IMO!!!) are coming from Revalver MkIII. Sounds Huge and blows away Guitar Rig and POD for metal stuff (I love guitar rig for rock, jazz, blues though)

http://www.peavey.com/products/revalver/index.cfm

http://www.alienconnections.com/

Only thing better that Revalver in simulations is by beloved Axe Fx which is like a solar system at this point. But it's hardware http://www.fractalaudio.com/

[Kubi]

I LOVE Metal Amp Room by Softube. Not cheap, but blows everything else I tried out of the water. For quick presets I do like the current version of NI Guitar Rig. But in the end, Softube still sounds *way* more like a real amp to me.

They have a 14 day or so iLok demo. Try it.

[David Polich]

Best to try and demo these products before deciding. To each their own..
it's what sounds best to your own ears. I tried the demo for ReValver but
it was just terribly buggy, I didn't find it user-friendly or
intuitive at all. Plus, I have a disdain for Peavey products in
general, I've always thought all of their amps sound crap, again that's
my personal reaction to their sound. I kinda wish I hadn't spent
the money on Metal Amp Room, but it's not the first product I've
bought that I regretted purchasing.

I find that guitarists either love plug-in amp simulators or they
hate them. Not too many guitarists have a neutral position on
emulators.

[KEVORKIAN]

Best to try and demo these products before deciding. To each their own..
it's what sounds best to your own ears. I tried the demo for ReValver but
it was just terribly buggy, I didn't find it user-friendly or
intuitive at all. Plus, I have a disdain for Peavey products in
general, I've always thought all of their amps sound crap, again that's
my personal reaction to their sound. I kinda wish I hadn't spent
the money on Metal Amp Room, but it's not the first product I've
bought that I regretted purchasing.

That's disappointing to hear (bugginess). There is a lot more to the program that the Peavy emulations though. I haven't used it in months because I have the Axe Fx.

It's actually not a Peavy product originally, they bought the company that developed the original versions.

It's not terribly intuitive, but it's deep and if you spend some time tweaking the models you are rewarded with a modern metal tone that I can't seem to get from Guitar Rig.

I find that guitarists either love plug-in amp simulators or they
hate them. Not too many guitarists have a neutral position on
emulators.

I'm pretty Neutral... You can generally get a good, usable tone out of anything if you don't go into it looking to recreate/extract a certain sound. So in that light almost all modelers and amps are worthy. If you are trying to nail a certain tone then it's like anything with gear... you have to put the time in and you need to get picky.

Unfortunately, modelers have a stigma attached to them. As far as I'm concerned the only thing they do to your playing that is uncorrectable is invoke latency. That's what wore me out on the POD the most... the pick attack delay.

I have to demo Metal Amp Room. I wasn't impressed by the clips on their site so I didn't bother.

[mhschmieder]

I was surprised by Revalver as I too have an extreme prejudice against that company based on quite a few prior experiences. I thought it was too consistently aggressive in its sound to be generally applicable, but kept it on my long list in case I ever need a tone that I can't get from AmpliTube (or the new GR4, which I won't be able to try until a new Mac).

SofTube is allowing people to try their plug-ins again, if you send them an email. So even if you tried their stuff before, you can have another go at it.

I have ultimately decided against all of their products. It's good stuff, but each of their plugs is so narrow in applicability, and I just can't justify the cost. It's not even on my long list anymore as a result. But I was impressed with a more three-dimensional sound stage with some of their plugs. Some of this might now be possible with DP7's new plugs.

[tonester]

You may guffaw all you like, but I am a fan of the Line 6 Pod Farm. I love the super ultra high gain Mesa Rectifier type stuff, and they do it really well. IK Amplitube 2 is also good. I use both. I haven't installed DP7 yet, so I can't speak to the new built-in processors. But the above mentioned plug-ins compare WELL to the real deal, IMHO.

Cheers,
Erik

+1 for Amplitube 2. Haven't checked out Pod Farm, but will.Does it come in AU, or do I need a VST wrapper?

Not to hijack this thread, but great to see you on the forums,Erik. Big fan of Rocket Scientists here.

Cheers,

Tony

[wurliuchi]

I'm a fan of GTR4 and it works perfectly with DP 6.02 (don't know about 7). We like to play with GTR4 going through real rigs and recording that, creating a hybrid of the two. Started doing that with GTR2. The tones you can get are spectacular. But GTR4 by itself is quite amazing, too.

[dustcoversmyheels]

The best Metal tones in a plugin (IMO!!!) are coming from Revalver MkIII. Sounds Huge and blows away Guitar Rig and POD for metal stuff

I downloaded the demo of revalver and i'm loving it!! i like how the JSX sounds. It takes a few minutes to tweak, but i'm very impressed with it!

The full version of Revalver is $300...and the ReValver HP is only $100. Do you know how they compare? I pretty much only want the JSX/6505 type of sound for recording rough guitar ideas.

[KEVORKIAN]

The best Metal tones in a plugin (IMO!!!) are coming from Revalver MkIII. Sounds Huge and blows away Guitar Rig and POD for metal stuff

I downloaded the demo of revalver and i'm loving it!! i like how the JSX sounds. It takes a few minutes to tweak, but i'm very impressed with it!

The full version of Revalver is $300...and the ReValver HP is only $100. Do you know how they compare? I pretty much only want the JSX/6505 type of sound for recording rough guitar ideas.

Glad you're digging it... I actually don't know the differences between the full and the HP version unfortunately. If the site doesn't say, then try dropping the alien connections guy or peavey an email. They both were responsive to some questions I had a while ago.

That 6505 model and the JSX are both great and you can even tweak the tube bias and a ton of other parameters, under the hood. Also, check out Redwirez for additional cab impulses.

[willheim]

THIS IS only marginally OT - it is my impression that the plug-ins in DP can't be heard on input in real tme when you are playing - they don't patch thru, right? Or I am doing something wrong - I just tried to use one of the guitar plugs and it would only work on playback, which to me is pretty useless. Am I doing something wrong here?

[Kubi]

You need to set the Input Monitoring Mode to "Monitor record-enabled tracks thru effects" (under Setup > Configure Audio System > Input Monitoring Mode).

As opposed to Direct Hardware Playthrough, you will incur processing delays (buffer plus plug-in's own), so you'll want to have the buffer set to 512 or 256 while tracking (though I've gotten quite good at tracking guitar even at high buffers - I guess I'm ready for arena shows!)

[BKK-OZ]

Has anybody played with Digidesign's Eleven Rack (hardware or software)?

I've got a Pod X3 Live, which I find to be useful, but not great - I am particularily interested in whether or not one could run PT LE (which comes with the hardware version of Eleven Rack) in DAE mode with DP.

[eriknorlander]

+1 for Amplitube 2. Haven't checked out Pod Farm, but will.Does it come in AU, or do I need a VST wrapper?

Pod Farm is AU and works pretty well. I've also used it in RTAS / PT with similar results. Not perfect in my experience on either platform, but acceptable on both and totally workable.

Not to hijack this thread, but great to see you on the forums,Erik. Big fan of Rocket Scientists here.

Thanks, Tony -- I appreciate it!

Cheers,
Erik

[James Steele]

You need to set the Input Monitoring Mode to "Monitor record-enabled tracks thru effects" (under Setup > Configure Audio System > Input Monitoring Mode).

As opposed to Direct Hardware Playthrough, you will incur processing delays (buffer plus plug-in's own), so you'll want to have the buffer set to 512 or 256 while tracking (though I've gotten quite good at tracking guitar even at high buffers - I guess I'm ready for arena shows!)

Yipes... I think this is why I sort of gave up on using guitar plug-ins because of the lag. I'm on a dual G5 and to lower my buffer down to something sort of playable it taxes my system. But even a little latency when playing guitar bugs the hell out of me.