From Panther to Tiger.. new topic 2009 (yes!)

[Radiogal]

Okay, here is the situation:
I´m on Panther. Yes I know it´s 2009!! But I´m finally gonna break free from the Waves old version chains by buying the Waves once again and "upgrade" to Tiger and DP 5.13 (haleluja!). I´m planning to jump on the DP 7 boat as soon as I hear it´s floating

Have to wait for SL untill i buy a new Mac.

Now I want to install Tiger on my G5 PPC. as I read DP 7 will run under it too

As I haven´t upgraded my OS for more than 3 years, I´m totally lost and filled with questions.

1. I´m thinking about installing Tiger on the same disc by partioning an clean and new OS disc and copy the OSX Panther clone back to the new disc. I´ll install Tiger on the second partition.

My question: Will I have to reinstall all my plugins, authorizations, software, drivers, Internet configurations etc. on the Tiger disc?

If so: how can I do this the easiest way?

2 Will I be able to run my plugins and software installed on Panther disc when booted from Tiger partition?

Will I be able to use my Panther installed plugins and software when booting from the Tiger partition? Like Toast, Super Duper, Logic 7 etc.
Would I be able to use DP 4.6 that is located on the Panther disc?


3 When I boot from the Tiger disc and install DP 5.13 (upgrade version) do I need to install DP from my "first bought" full DP version or can I reassign it to the Panther partition, where all the other DP versions are installed? Wher do I install the 5.13 version. Panther or Tiger partition?

Anything else I should know and be aware of?

I need your help so make this step the smoothest ever, as I use my system on a professional basis and can´t afford to much down time.

[SixStringGeek]

I cannot emphasize the enough - backup your entire computer. If you have space, do it twice. You should be able to do an upgrade in place and all auths should be preserved.

Plugs have to be stored on the system disk (lame - I know) so you'll have copies on each disk.

[HCMarkus]

+1 on complete backup and installing the new OS over your cloned Panther system. This should preserve you system preferences, email and the like. By keeping your Panther system intact in its current state on a partition you can always boot into Panther and your old, comfortable system while you are getting things put together in Tiger.

By the way, I am running Tiger (10.4.11) on my G5 Quad, and it has been working very well with DP6.02, which bodes well for DP7 and Tiger. Another thread I just read had a note from MOTU indicating DP7 will work well under 10.4.7 and above.

Now you can put Waves on an iLok, so you shouldn't have to ever buy it again. Can you WUP? They have changed their policy, and a WUPgrade is never supposed to be more than $200.

My understanding is you will need to install DP (and the plug-ins, as noted by Mr. SixString) on each system partition.

DP5.13 is a complete install based on 5.0, so you should not need to install DP4.x on your Tiger partition. Be careful about installing different versions of DP on the same system partition. In the case of DP6, changes to certain system files caused DP5 to malfunction. So you may wish to keep a partition with your current system intact regardless, just in case. If you get really comfortable with the new OS and want to reclaim some disk space, you can make a compressed disk image of your old system with Disc Utility (just to be safe) before you erase it.

Some applications may not need to be installed on your boot drive. Your mileage may vary... I always put all my apps on my system partition so I'm not really sure about the answer to your question. Data, as I'm sure you know, can be accessed from any drive.

Your approach sounds good, and you'll be able to reinstall your original Panther system drive and be back in business quickly in the event of troubles. Good Luck... after a brief period of reacquaintance, you're gonna' love the new features in DP. And we'll just hang out in PPC-land until our respective ships arrive, enabling us to make the leap to Intel and Snow Leopard!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Panther to Tiger was the most problematic upgrade for me. I lost many emails, but that's about it. I suspect it was user error.

The most fail safe way of doing this IMO is to install TIger (or any new OS) on a new, or recently reformatted drive. Format it with the install disk (DIsk Utility) that comes with the upgrade to insure compatibility. Then when the OS restarts (Tiger may want to restart twice, especially with subsequent 10.4.x updates) select 'migrate from an existing drive on this computer' or run the Migration Assistant program.

You might have to reauthorize a few things, but not many in my experience. And you have a nice safe fall back to the earlier OS should something go amiss.

[Phil O]

I did mine another way. I don't have a G5, but when I went to Tiger on my G4, I installed it on a clean (i.e. erased) partition, then used the option to copy files from another computer (I forget what it's called, someone help me out here). That option let me copy from another partition, so I copied all the files from my Panther start-up partition. Anyway, it involves a few more authorizations, but has the advantage of a from-scratch clean install of Tiger. Just an option.

Phil

Edit: Woops, looks like quick-draw MLC beat me to the post. Yeah, what he says.

[Radiogal]

Thanks!!!
Keep it coming!!
I have some updates and re-authorisations to do
Nomad Factory, PSP, Waves, Focusrite, Sonalksis, ASS,
PCI 424 CARD, DP, EZ Drummer, UAD.. it´s adding up.. wish me luck.

Again, keep the info coming!!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Often when you update there is a new protection scheme by third party apps, plug-ins and some big players, such as Adobe. I'm not sure these incompatibilities still lag behind the Panther to Tiger jump. As you can see, there is very little left of the Panther in this exchange. I dare not venture a guess as to what part remains, but clearly it makes the tiger angry as hell.



Be prepared for the fact that you may install apps in Tiger which, if you drop back to Panther for some reason, may need to be reinstalled in the latter or be otherwise incompatible with it for some reason. So don't throw out your old system disk. Again, what I do is remove it and store it, USE TIME MACHINE AS A BACKUP (oh, not in TIger, sorry - that's a good one though) and keep the old system disk until the next major upgrade or disaster if necessary.

[Radiogal]

Yeehaw!! I finally installed Tiger, DP 5.13, the Waves Diamond 6 bundle, Nomads bundle, Liquid Mix, UAD and other plugs.. this system is rockin´! Seems more efficient than on Panther as the CPU seems pretty sweet.. DP loads faster than ever!!!
Maybe expected as it´s told to be the most stable version of DP ever.. Still have to install EZ drummer, The AAS Tassman & Co, Logic Pro 8... well, that can wait until tomorrow!
Thanx guys for good advice! I owe you!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Sweet!

[HCMarkus]

You go Gal.

[Phil O]

New toys! Yeah! Don't you just love new toys? Good luck with the new setup, RG.

Phil

[Radiogal]

Okay, so I have been doing some real serious stuff and a lot of editing in 50+ tracks projects during the last month.. Used a lot of plugs, installed two new freebees from SSL, used the Liquid Mix a lot too, the UAD1, the Waves, Nomads etc.. adding up.. and I´m just keeping on working on my projects. (on a daily basis).
Than I realized: Since the installation of Tiger and DP 5.13 I haven´t noticed ANY problems at all. And I now can say: ONE TOTAL MONTH WITHOUT A CRASH or spinning gayballs!!!!
This system is rockin!

Than I wonder:
Could a new Mac Pro and DP 7 offer this "never before" experienced stability??

Well, I´m happy for now!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

That's great! DP 7 in Leopard is rockin' on my lowly G5.