Something new in Drumland

[MIXOSAURUS]

FYI -

check out MIX Magazine's September issue - it features a review of KIT A by Michael Cooper.
To read the full review, get the latest MIX issue or visit http://www.mixonline.com.

Best regards,
Uwe

[melenko]

It seems difficult to sale your product.
Why?

[James Steele]

It seems difficult to sale your product.
Why?

What do you mean by that? That seems rather rude to say.

[toodamnhip]

If I missed this, I apologize but..How Much is Mixosaurus?

Also, despite the previous rude comment, I'd like to thank the mixo guys for coming to unicornation and speaking with us...

[scooter]

Thanks for all the feedback (Mixosaurus people)
You made a smart move in explaining your product so well in detail here. A lot of people read the MOTUNATION forum. So there are a lot of potential customers.
I also would like some kind of pricing breakdown if possible.

P.S. James, the new look is great.

scooter

[James Steele]

If I missed this, I apologize but..How Much is Mixosaurus?

Also, despite the previous rude comment, I'd like to thank the mixo guys for coming to unicornation and speaking with us...

Ditto. I think the rude poster doesn't quite grasp the usefulness and potential value of the app. I'm happy any time a vendor comes here to tell us about their products and appreciate them doing so.

[melenko]

Sorry if it seemed "rude", but for me it's just realistic!
I saw a lot of messages from that editor, whome I like the concept,
receiving some answers...
So, who is rude?
Thereafter, the reality is that selling something today is really hard!
My mail-box is full of opportunities.
I was asking me and that editor why is it so difficult today to buy
a good concept. That was all!
Personnally, I can't buy it, but...

[James Steele]

Yes, but you assumed in your question that they have a hard time selling them and I don't know what you base that on. Because they advertise? You make an assertion that you don't know is true.

[Frodo]

If I missed this, I apologize but..How Much is Mixosaurus?

I think the starter kit (Kit A) is about $800-900 list.

Check this out:
http://mixonline.com/gear/reviews/mixos ... index.html

The reviewer complained about memory access in K2.x, but there's no reason for that with K3.5+ on the market now. He also complained about a steep learning curve, but that could be highly individual.

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hi guys,

thanks for all your replies.

Melenko, it might seem strange these days that a software/soundware product is being advertised/sold for a long time. However, MIXOSAURUS is a product that will not be outdated as quickly as many other sample-based products. It is a very versatile and rewarding instrument that you won't grow tired of after a couple of weeks. Among our customers are producers who have used it in many of their productions throughout the last two years, and they, their artists and the listening public still are happy with the tracks.

That said - you're right, it's not easy to bring a product like this to the market in these days... the principle of having ONE truly expressive instrument isn't what people expect - they're used to having bundles of kits, and NEW! bundles of NEW! kits every few months, so the initial reaction is scepticism, disbelief. Add to this that users have read "Undistinguishable from a real instrument!" in many products' ads before when that wasn't always so close to the truth... it's quite understandable that it takes time to convince people to try a different approach when they feel they've heard it all before.

Anyway, we believe that this is the expressiveness an instrument should have, and so far everybody trying it is overwhelmed. We'll be persistent .

Frodo, thanks for adding the MIX link!
Regarding the learning curve: It's true, there are a few MIXO things to get to the bottom of... would be lying to say otherwise. After all, a drumkit this detailed, with this many playing and engineering options can be difficult to overlook for a new user. But then it usually takes no more than a few emails to clear things up in case a user is at a loss with a certain feature.
(btw, if I am informed correctly then WLAM should have received a demo unit from our distributor MV Pro Audio by now - you might give them a call to verify)

Thanks again & kindest regards,
Uwe

[Frodo]

Frodo, thanks for adding the MIX link!

Regarding the learning curve: It's true, there are a few MIXO things to get to the bottom of... would be lying to say otherwise. After all, a drumkit this detailed, with this many playing and engineering options can be difficult to overlook for a new user. But then it usually takes no more than a few emails to clear things up in case a user is at a loss with a certain feature.

Uwe:

Thanks so much for everything. I really appreciate the hard work and deeply appreciate the results you're getting with this VI.

As for learning curve: *everything* worthwhile has a learning curve of some sort these days. We're going for virtual reality which raises the bar on basic usability, dramatically speaking for both users and developers. The more complex the results, the more complex the process--- that's just my personal feeling. That's certainly no reason to make VI more difficult to use than necessary, but serious users might also get more serious about the results they want and the time and care it takes to get those results.

Mixosaurus is onto something important and I wish you every possible continued success. Why? Because I believe in this product!

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hello guys,

there's good news for those who like to check it out first hand:

A downloadable KIT A demo was added to our website: On http://www.MIXOSAURUS.com/demo_masterpage.htm you can request a download link to the 2.6 GB zipped demo archive which contains fully usable instrument patches of KIT A's Light Ride Cymbal and the 10" Tom.
All articulations of these two instruments and all mic tracks are available in the demo, with the only limitations being that it uses only 2 alternating samples (the full product offers 7) - and that the rest of the kit isn't there .

(FYI: For hosting/licensing reasons, the archive does not contain Native Instruments' KONTAKT PLAYER software, however you'll find a link to NI's pages so you will have no trouble getting it from them directly - it's a free download)

Comments and/or suggestions all very welcome!

kindest regards,
Uwe

[zed]

All articulations of these two instruments and all mic tracks are available in the demo, with the only limitations being that it uses only 2 alternating samples (the full product offers 7) - and that the rest of the kit isn't there .

I would be interested in trying it out were it not for the fact that "the rest of the kit isn't there". It is a pretty huge download if I am to understand that all the other kit pieces remain blank. I understand that this is an opportunity to appreciate the amount of detail that can be derived from a couple or the kit pieces, but it would be a bit more enticing if there was at least one sample from each of the other kit pieces so that we could at least play with the drum kit a little after taking the time to download such a big file and loading it up in Kontakt player.

I think it is a great idea to have a demo, but it would probably be more useful (and may increase your sales) if the demo had a little more functionality. What I would really need to even consider buying your product is to be totally sold on the snare.

Having said that, it doesn't really matter much to me since have so many virtual drum kits at my disposal (and some pretty good ones too)... but I have been curious about your product since you began posting in this forum, and I would like to get the opportunity to try it out sometime, and maybe be convinced.

[MIXOSAURUS]

Hi Zed,

I understand your point. You're certainly right to say it would be more useful with more kit pieces in there, but it's not that easy... we needed to find a package that would give people a first-hand experience of the dynamics, the expressiveness, the sound quality and how it feels to tweak the various parameters, on the other hand not give away too much of the real thing (lets not forget that you get a really fine and 100% usable Ride Cymbal with this - for free).
Simply adding ultimately basic versions of the other instruments wouldn't paint a valid picture of those (and bear the risk that people misinterpret that and/or are disappointed... users likely skip notes like "keep in mind this has this and that limitation..."). Also, a version of the KIT A Snare that is acceptably detailed and lets you experience the true value would also be 1-2 GB in size, and then there's the other pieces.
For these reasons, we opted for "one cymbal and one drum, about as detailed as you'd use it in an average production". Frankly, I think that these demo instruments plus the rest of the available audio and video content on the website give users all they need to allow proper judgement: One can experience the authentic dynamic feel, the musical versatility and the parameter/tweaking options with the demo instruments, and one can get an overview over all available components and their individual sounds with the videos and audio demos that are online.

bestest regards,
Uwe

[melenko]

Sorry MIXOSAURUS and James, I missed your posts, so...
And thank's for your replies. That was the meaning of my post.
You're right, with just one good kit, and some effects, you can do
a lot of job.And the fact the soft is running on another drive is a +.