Snow Leopard Aug 28. Who are the brave ones?

[coolcolin]

Not brave but careful. Installed onto a new HD in a FireWire box and used the migration manager to get everything from my old system.The only wrinkle was having to re-authorize DP again. Tried some old projects that I could not open before and hey-presto, perfect. Then I zeroed my original drive and used CC Cloner to transfer the new setup, again it worked fine. I´m a happy camper. Decided to simply upgrade my brand new MBP 13". Again no issues to report, very smooth transition and well worth the time involved
Colin P.

DP 6.02, Mac Mini 2.26 GHz, 4GB DDR3, Altiverb 6 All Wavearts, All PSP. MBP is vanilla.

[Shooshie]

Man,

I just installed it and I've had a LOT of issues... Out of NOWHERE, and using DP in SL for around 2 hours, I got NONSTOP "systemUIServer quit", Finder Quit and iCal Helper Quit.... Again, again and again.... Had to re-install SL...

Now, that made the OS "stable", but NOT DP. BTD works A LOT better, but I'm now getting quits doing random edits, which I NEVER had before.... AND, again, out of nowhere, I had to re-auth DP... after using it with SL for almost a day....

So... For those of you who are getting along swimmingly with SL, how EXACTLY did you guys do the install? A new disk?

I did this: Installed PACE & new MOTU drivers (Already had 6.02 going as well) and then I installed SL over OS 10.5.7.... Then had to re-install.... Installed rosetta, which I don't think I really NEED on this machine....

A glance at your signature reveals a TON of VI's. I'd be willing to bet that the problem is in one of those. Have you tried booting with half of them off? Then if that works, reboot with those plus half the remainder? Continue that way until you isolate any offending plugin or VI. If at any step it crashes, you backstep and split the last group you added into half and attempt again to zero in on the plugin that's causing the crashes?

Was 6.02 stable in Leopard before upgrading?

There is a file that gets installed among the MOTU drivers that needs to be removed:

/System/Library/Extensions/MotuTigerDriver.kext

But I really don't think that file is causing your problems. I'd bet on a plugin. Try the elimination procedure. That's how we used to eliminate corrupt extensions in OS9. Also, try a new file, or a new template. I've seen corrupt files behave as you describe, and I've at least once had a corrupt template. It's been many years, but it could happen. If these ideas fail, maybe reseat your RAM and test it.

I'm pretty confident that I can assure you that just DP 6.02 and Snow Leopard together will work great, but I think also that MOST of your plugins and VI's will work great, too. This is a pretty amazing OS upgrade.

Shooshie

[rodger1811]

Man,

I just installed it and I've had a LOT of issues... Out of NOWHERE, and using DP in SL for around 2 hours, I got NONSTOP "systemUIServer quit", Finder Quit and iCal Helper Quit.... Again, again and again.... Had to re-install SL...

Now, that made the OS "stable", but NOT DP. BTD works A LOT better, but I'm now getting quits doing random edits, which I NEVER had before.... AND, again, out of nowhere, I had to re-auth DP... after using it with SL for almost a day....

So... For those of you who are getting along swimmingly with SL, how EXACTLY did you guys do the install? A new disk?

I did this: Installed PACE & new MOTU drivers (Already had 6.02 going as well) and then I installed SL over OS 10.5.7.... Then had to re-install.... Installed rosetta, which I don't think I really NEED on this machine....

I really do believe that a "TOTAL" wipe of the OS/Applications is the safest route to happiness. It's generaly best to have a OS in pristine condition before anything else and as much as Apple is pushing an in-place upgrade for SN, I'm just not convinced. My steps were as follows;

1. Fresh install of SN on a new HD
2. Repaired permissions
3. OS software update
4. Repaired permissions
5. Installed the latest MOTU MIDI and PCI-424 drivers
6. Repaired permissions
7. Installed latest PACE drivers
8. Repaired permissions
9. Checked with Ilok.com to be sure that I could sync my ilok. Found that there was new software to install before I could sync so I installed it of course.
10.Repaired permissions
11.Installed DP 6.0 and authorized it
12.Repaired permissions
13.Installed the 6.02 upgrade. (Just to be sure that you have the latest build even if you've downloaded it before, logon to your MOTU account and get it again. Sometimes things change with a patch or upgrade and we're not made aware of this fact.
14.Repaired permissions
15.From here, I installed all of my plugins one at a time repairing permissions after every one. I launched DP after each install in the event that I had a problem with one of the plugins failing validation so I could address it right away. Fortunately I didn't have any issues. Besides that, I had already researched ahead of time to be sure of what plugins if any that I would have a problem with.

I know that all of this seems like a lot of work but that's the way I approach it and it's what's working for me. PS, repairing permissions in SN is MUCH MUCH faster now!!!!

[Tritonemusic]

I know that all of this seems like a lot of work but that's the way I approach it and it's what's working for me. PS, repairing permissions in SN is MUCH MUCH faster now!!!!

Your method is exactly the way I approach these kinds of situations. And, it's really encouraging to know that repairing permissions is faster in SL.

Great post.

[zed]

It's generaly best to have a OS in pristine condition before anything else and as much as Apple is pushing an in-place upgrade for SN, I'm just not convinced.

Hmmmmmmmm. While I agree that this may increase your chances of having a trouble-free system, I also know that you may have just as much trouble, or more, than someone who simply upgrades the OS and doesn't jump through any hoops.

I went through most of the stuff you listed earlier this year when I got my Intel Mac Pro. A huge pain in the ass which took hours upon hours to get properly set up. And did I have a trouble-free system?? No sirree! I had a whole heap of fires to put out.

And so, I would suggest to most users that all this extra caution is probably unnecessary. I would clone your system drive and perform the Snow Leopard upgrade on the cloned version of your OS and see how it works. It is likely to work well, and will have saved you days of needless re-authorizations and such.

While "pristine" sounds good, I'm not convinced that a system has to be *that* clean in order to attain most of these Snow Leopard improvements.

But I don't really know what's going on under the hood...

[dinobass]

I just installed SL over Leopard straight up. After I removed /System/Library/Extensions/MotuTigerDriver.kext and the Ethno Instrument components/bundles, everything's been great.

[mesaken]

I did a clean install as well and have been running fine with Altiverb, Breverb, and all
PSP plugs. I haven't had time to install Waves and I think the Stillwell's aren't quite ready. Altiverb requires Rosetta for installation, so I had to go back and install it. This is real
good. Many Motu was ahead of Apple!

[corbo-billy]

Sorry to disappoint you but here is missing some plug-ins while they were present with Leopard: the three EQ and thhe Proverb !
And with the Masterworks EQ, but it is now called STEREO from the list of the plug-ins. Very strange phenomenon, right ?

[joelmusic]

I've pushed DP very VERY hard.
High track counts,many effects, VI's, very low buffer settings, and have had
an exceedingly difficult time crashing it....actually
everything just grinds to a halt and stops.
(fewer) Almost no beachballs, My Konnekt 48 is behaving flawlessly
in DP 6.02, It certainly wasn't in Leopard.

PS
I have no idea what sluggishness you're referring to.

I've experienced major sluggishness in _MIDI editing_ in the MIDI edit window. Dragging notes around, adjusting velocities, note durations, etc. is WAY slower than 5.12 for me.

[sdfalk]

sorry dude..but not for me

[joelmusic]

sorry dude..but not for me

Actually, that makes me more hopeful - I just thought it was something that they were working on - now I may just do a re-install (maybe after Snow Leopard is installed?).

[zed]

...now I may just do a re-install (maybe after Snow Leopard is installed?).

I suspect it won't matter which order you do it in. In fact, you might want to just install Snow Leopard and see if the sluggishness goes away with your current DP install.

[joelmusic]

...now I may just do a re-install (maybe after Snow Leopard is installed?).

I suspect it won't matter which order you do it in. In fact, you might want to just install Snow Leopard and see if the sluggishness goes away with your current DP install.

That's a good idea. I truly hope I'm the ONLY person who has this MIDI issue - very hopeful for a resolve!

[Timeline]

Please let me know if 5.13 works in any way... Because of the fact that I'm totally RME it does not really matter at this point but would just be nice to know if any of you brave souls got it working.

Thnx

[bayswater]

I also installed on an external drive and used the migration utility to copy apps over. I found a number of apps needed updating, and had to reauth DP, but all that was easy.

But -- after a couple of hours of smooth sailing, all of a sudden, over a few seconds, the drive filled up with swap files, about 40 of them, each 1G, followed by a series of swap files at 500M, 256M, 128M, 64M and so on until the drive was fill. I've since deleted the swap files and things seem ok again. Have no idea what caused it.