Apple did it again - Logic 9

[James Steele]

FYI, you probably know this, but since I had to do it for myself, I'm posting this in case it helps others. You can add the Garage Band Loops directory to your list of "Places" in UVI Workstation by dragging the director to the places list in the browser. You can delete a place by right-clicking and then choosing Delete. If you have your right button mapped to "Command + Click" by using USB Overdrive, etc. you will have to defeat that temporarily to get this right click to work. Here's a move of adding a directory to places. Considering that UVI Workstation is a FREE tool, I'll probably post a topic about this as given that you can drag and drop loops, it's a good tool for utilizing the Apple content in DP.

http://www.motunation.com/movies/Adding ... Places.mov

[Shooshie]

Very nice, James. I KNEW there was a way to drag & drop in UVI Workstation, but I'm not currently working in DP, and just didn't have time to go figure it out, so I just stayed out of the discussion. I've been saying that UVI Workstation is like Mach Five.2 "Lite," but the irony is that it will do Apple Loops, and Mach Five.2 won't! There are so many things that you can do in UVIW that are exactly like what M5.2 will do, but just with a different interface. In fact, assigning CC's to various functions for real-time control over your samples is handled exactly the same -- with the same interface, if I remember correctly. UVIW is a tremendous bargain for DP users, and since it basically comes with DP, I'd go so far as to say that it kind of "completes" DP in an area in which DP is commonly faulted for being weak. (loops and samples) I don't know if DP really deserves the reputation it has for "not doing loops," since in fact you can do loops in DP, but UVIW definitely lays to rest any doubts. It should be in everyone's plugin folder.

Shooshie

[James Steele]

UVIW is a tremendous bargain for DP users, and since it basically comes with DP, I'd go so far as to say that it kind of "completes" DP in an area in which DP is commonly faulted for being weak. (loops and samples) I don't know if DP really deserves the reputation it has for "not doing loops," since in fact you can do loops in DP, but UVIW definitely lays to rest any doubts. It should be in everyone's plugin folder.

It's a bargain for EVERYONE, because it's basically available as a FREE download for anybody from their site. It's free because they want to sell you their "soundcards" which are instrument libraries, etc. But the loop functionality is there. I'm determined at some point to make a separate topic for this with the movies and tutorials because those two movies I posted show how to drag and drop Apple loops to a track and then how to easily add the Apple Loops directory to places. So with a free add-on plug, every DP user has easy access to all the loops that come with Garage Band.

The latest version of UVI Workstation is 1.0.16 and is available for free here:

http://www.uvisoundsource.com/uvi-works ... icles_id/8

[Shooshie]

James, why don't you post those movies in the Tips Sheet? While I've tried to keep that thread completely DP-centric, I think UVI Workstation qualifies as a part of DP, first of all since it comes on the DP install DVD, and secondly since it's based on the same engine as Mach Five-2. As I said, I think it "completes" DP (though Mach Five really does it all better except for Apple Loops). A post in the Tips Sheet to the movies you posted here would be most welcome, and just might help some people who end up scratching their heads about loops in DP.

It really bummed me that Apple changed their loop format right after the last version of Mach Five.2 was sent out, and M5.2 has never been updated to use the newer format. When it shipped, M5.2 did indeed handle Apple Loops. It's only the .caf files that didn't make the cut. UVI Workstation handles them and opens up that entire world of Apple's loops to DP users. When you buy Logic Studio for $500, you get about $500 worth of loops if bought separately. I mean, it's really a win-win situation with UVIW in the picture.

(Strangely, I don't even USE loops, though I like to know that I can if I want to.)

Shoosh

[MIDI Life Crisis]

James, why don't you post those movies in the Tips Sheet?

'Dude' you're a moderator. Can't you just do it?!

[donreynolds]

That's cool! I saw the drag and drop box but I could not get it to work. I just thought it was because it was a .caf file. What kind of track did you drop it in? Audio? or what?

[donreynolds]

When you selected your drag box it highlighted. When I try to select it nothing happens. I don't think I am doing anything different but ny box does not highlight and I don't see that I am dragging anything. I have had my version for a while. I think I while try to see if I can download an updated version so see if that fixes the problem.

[James Steele]

That's cool! I saw the drag and drop box but I could not get it to work. I just thought it was because it was a .caf file. What kind of track did you drop it in? Audio? or what?

That's odd. Well, you must drag it and drop it into an audio track. If it's a mono loop it has to be a mono track. Stereo loop... it must be stereo. Although my version of Garage Band on my Mac is way old... like from 2005 so it might be that my loops are all AIF and that's why it's working?

[michkhol]

Well, my concerns are whether or not updates to apps like DP, VIs, FInale and everything else will require Snow Leopard. That would mean an upgrade from my G5 which is quite adequate for my work. It would also mean spending about $5k after I update the RAM and everything else (software, etc.) I am bound and determined to stay on my current system for at least another few years. Same goes for my truck!

I'm pretty sure in three things.
1. The days of Tiger compatibility are already counted (it was the last OS X that supported OS 9 BTW).
2. At least for another 3 years Leopard will be in the list of compatible versions (Intel only).
3. In two years new PPC software development will be dead.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Well, my concerns are whether or not updates to apps like DP, VIs, FInale and everything else will require Snow Leopard. That would mean an upgrade from my G5 which is quite adequate for my work. It would also mean spending about $5k after I update the RAM and everything else (software, etc.) I am bound and determined to stay on my current system for at least another few years. Same goes for my truck!

I'm pretty sure in three things.
1. The days of Tiger compatibility are already counted (it was the last OS X that supported OS 9 BTW).
2. At least for another 3 years Leopard will be in the list of compatible versions (Intel only).
3. In two years new PPC software development will be dead.

Indeed! The death knell for PPC. BTW, I haven't run an OS 9 app in years!

[donreynolds]

Hey James, Do you have any .caf files to see if you can drag and drop? I downloaded the latest version of UVIWS 1.16 and now I CAN highlight a loop but cannot drop any of the apple loops into a track. It did however let me drop one of the UVI loops with an .rx identifier on it. So I know at least it IS working.
Can anyone drag and drop a .caf loop in DP?

[Shooshie]

James, why don't you post those movies in the Tips Sheet?

'Dude' you're a moderator. Can't you just do it?!

'
Not with James' name on it. I'm only a moderator in the DP forum. That doesn't let me do cross-forum stuff.

Shoosh

[FMiguelez]

... I've been saying that UVI Workstation is like Mach Five.2 "Lite," but the irony is that it will do Apple Loops, and Mach Five.2 won't!

Hi, Shooshie.

How "lite" would you say it is compared to Mach Five?

IOW, WHAT can you do with Mach Five that you cant with UVI?
And what can you do with UVI that you can't with Mach Five? (besides what you just mentioned about Apple loops.

Thanks.

[James Steele]

... I've been saying that UVI Workstation is like Mach Five.2 "Lite," but the irony is that it will do Apple Loops, and Mach Five.2 won't!

Hi, Shooshie.

How "lite" would you say it is compared to Mach Five?

IOW, WHAT can you do with Mach Five that you cant with UVI?
And what can you do with UVI that you can't with Mach Five? (besides what you just mentioned about Apple loops.

Thanks.

I'd check to see, but it might also do BTD without printing first which MachFive 2 MAS won't. Although I think MachFive2 AU does. Don't hold me to that.

[Shooshie]

... I've been saying that UVI Workstation is like Mach Five.2 "Lite," but the irony is that it will do Apple Loops, and Mach Five.2 won't!

Hi, Shooshie.

How "lite" would you say it is compared to Mach Five?

IOW, WHAT can you do with Mach Five that you cant with UVI?
And what can you do with UVI that you can't with Mach Five? (besides what you just mentioned about Apple loops.

Thanks.

I guess that would really be hard to say without a full assessment of UVI Workstation, which I have not done. But for starters, I'm going to guess that UVIW doesn't have the ability to create your own synths from scratch, or a Hammond B3 emulator (with drawbars and percussion), or the practically unlimited inputs, outputs, MIDI channels, that Mach Five 2 has, nor its ability to display a full-screen editor on one monitor with a smaller-screen (set to another display) on the other monitor, or underneath, or next to the larger window. That can be very useful. I forget what all you can do with sample editing in UVIW, but I do recall being less impressed than with that of Mach 5.2. Mach Five.2 has a truly amazing capacity for effects. You can do effects on many levels at once, each of which modifies those before it, and it's all automatable or controllable remotely.

On the other hand, I found Mach Five very difficult to learn, even with a full-immersion approach. It just takes patient trial & error, even while looking at the manual, to figure out what it will and will not do. The most significant find was that CONTROL-CLICK on any knob, slider, display, switch, etc. will bring up the interface for automation or assigning CC's to that function. There were other breakthroughs, but I can't describe them all here. The same applies to UVIW (CONTROL-CLICK) Also, I do not know if UVIW has the same scripting capability, but if it does, I hope it's more cleverly implemented. By "clever," I mean "easy." Scripting in Mach Five is again an exercise in patience and frustration.

I don't think that UVIW is as deeply capable of effects and control, but I may be wrong. If all it did was enable the use of .caf files (which it does), that would be enough to make it a part of your basic plugin closet. It may also be easier to load and to mute/enable parts, since each sample only takes up one line, rather than the scrolling boxes of M5.2 which require a LOT of scrolling to maneuver around much. Both apps/plugins have the same roster of effects, I think, and it's obvious that they come from the same engine and developer. They are both extremely useful plugins/VI's, and one just has to ask one's self if Mach Five offers enough to justify the expense. I'm glad I have it, but if I only had UVIW, I probably wouldn't shell out the money for M5.2 unless I really got into programming great sounds -- something I have done in the past but which I no longer feel I have time for with so many better commercial libraries out there than I can create by dabbling in M5.2.

Shooshie