Scarbee's Summer Sale July 27-31 !!

[kgdrum]

Cool! I didn't know about Orange Tree basses (demos sound great on website), so thanks for turning me on to that!

In terms of the zip file question... It's hard to answer, not being there and knowing exactly how you're doing the transfer of the entire library. Like, for example, if you have a large Kontakt library, and it's all on an internal drive, the easiest way would probably be to just do a Finder drag copy to an external drive and transfer your whole library like that.

In terms of the zip files ... You don't necessarily need to keep the zip files on your hard drive, once you've installed the library. They are just taking up extra disk space. But you might want to keep them as a backup, since it was a downloaded product. It's a question of how it all fits on DVDs. If you can fit the entire library on a DVD, uncompressed, just do that. It saves the time it takes to uncompress. But if a library turns out to be too big to fit on a single DVD, but it DOES fit on one disk when it is zipped, then you might want to burn the zip to DVD for the convenience of having the entire library on one disc. So, as I see it, it is a matter of how things fit on discs, the convenience of having that vs. the extra time it takes to uncompress. Like I say, it's hard to say since my decision on this would be based on the actual file sizes, etc.

As a general rule, if you've already invested the time uncompressing, and you can fit the uncompressed version on discs in a way that works for you, burn the uncompressed files to disc and trash the zip file. Does any of this make address what you are getting at in your question?

Hope that helps and doesn't confuse.

Babz

the libraries I want to save to on a dvd are the Orange tree Cherry and Pear Bass's so not very large,should I save the file as it came with the download before I unzipped it?
Thanks
KG

[larryf]

I bought the blue bass! I'm messing around with it right now. It sounds GREAT. It is grittier than Black Bass, "rock-ier". Black bass is more smooth, round sounding. I have Blue going through the Amplitube 2 Thick Bass preset and it sounds very 70's hard rock ish to me. Nice!!!!

[tobysan]

Thanks Kgdrum,
i just Bought Core Bass Cherry, i playing around with it right now, fuller than Bluebass i thing its perfect for Ballad styles and slow songs,
Cherry bass its a "ready to go" sound, in the other hand Bluebass its more faster also a pure sound i thing this require to use a little your FX tools to make it sound great, i like it for uptempo songs
articulation and release are simple great on both,
Finally I just stop missing Trilogy (i can't install on my system)

[kgdrum]

my pleasure Toby,I have Cherry,Cherry Slapped and the Pear Bass Libraries and yes they are excellent as are all of the Scarbee Libraries,I have not opened Trilogy or Hardcore Bass in a real long time because these newer libraries with their extensive use of Kontakts scripting as well as better samples(imo) blow the older bass libraries out of the water!
I do think it will be interesting to see how Spectrasonics answers these newer developers when they release Trillium in the Fall.With the implementation of the new Steam Engine that they also use in Omnisphere and newer Samples etc...I expect this to be killer as well.

[mhschmieder]

I forgot this sale isn't over yet!

I encourage everyone to participate in it, so they don't have any regrets later.

You'll know why, after I post a very important partnership announcement that just came up today.

In other words, those who buy Scarbee now, may benefit tremendously later vs. those who don't.

[Century]

Just wanted to add that I have the Blue bass which is the best I've used. It will cut through a track that is dense, especially thru IK bass plug. Also have Orange Tree Jaco Iconic bass which is fantastic...best fretless I've found and believe me I've been searching. Also Orange tree is extremely helpful to any problems or requests you might have.

[Babz]

,should I save the file as it came with the download before I unzipped it?
Thanks
KG

OK, one more time with feeling....

Zip is a form of file compression. It makes the files smaller -- smaller when you download or transfer files thru the Internet, smaller in terms of the amount of space they occupy on your HD/DVD, etc. The only reason I can think of to save the zip file is to conserve disk space. That is to say, you could fit more files per DVD if you were trying to use as few DVDs as possible, for example.

(BTW, right now by having both the zip file and the unzipped files on you HD right now, you are actually *wasting* disk space. Once the file is unzipped, the zip file is just taking up extra space. For now you have both the compressed and uncompressed version of the file on your HD.)

In short, you generally don't need zip files once you are done unzipping them.

Why should one keep a zip file? Zipping and unzipping large files takes time. The only reason to keep them is if you think you might need them in compressed form (i.e., to save disk space or to send them through the internet), so you're saving yourself the time it takes to create a zip file (which can be a few minutes with very large files). On the other hand, if you are transferring a file to another HD, it is probably faster to copy the larger (uncompressed) files to the new HD than it would be to transfer a zip file and then have to wait during the time it takes to unzip -- esp. w/ large files. But either way, we're only talking about a difference of a few minutes, so it's not a real big deal one way or the other. Just note that zipping and unzipping takes time with large files. Sometimes it is worth it to trade that time for the advantages of saving disc space.

And even if you DO trash the zip file and then later find you would like to compress a file or folder for some reason, just right click on it and choose Create Archive to compress it into a zip file again. (The zip file will not replace your uncompressed version. You will end up with both the original file and a compressed .zip version of it.)

Hopefully this answers everything you ever wanted to know about zip!

Best,
Babz

[kgdrum]

Just wanted to add that I have the Blue bass which is the best I've used. It will cut through a track that is dense, especially thru IK bass plug. Also have Orange Tree Jaco Iconic bass which is fantastic...best fretless I've found and believe me I've been searching. Also Orange tree is extremely helpful to any problems or requests you might have.

+1 agreed
Greg at Orange Tree is as nice as anyone you could deal with,great company and support.

[kgdrum]

,should I save the file as it came with the download before I unzipped it?
Thanks
KG

OK, one more time with feeling....

Zip is a form of file compression. It makes the files smaller -- smaller when you download or transfer files thru the Internet, smaller in terms of the amount of space they occupy on your HD/DVD, etc. The only reason I can think of to save the zip file is to conserve disk space. That is to say, you could fit more files per DVD if you were trying to use as few DVDs as possible, for example.

(BTW, right now by having both the zip file and the unzipped files on you HD right now, you are actually *wasting* disk space. Once the file is unzipped, the zip file is just taking up extra space. For now you have both the compressed and uncompressed version of the file on your HD.)

In short, you generally don't need zip files once you are done unzipping them.

Why should one keep a zip file? Zipping and unzipping large files takes time. The only reason to keep them is if you think you might need them in compressed form (i.e., to save disk space or to send them through the internet), so you're saving yourself the time it takes to create a zip file (which can be a few minutes with very large files). On the other hand, if you are transferring a file to another HD, it is probably faster to copy the larger (uncompressed) files to the new HD than it would be to transfer a zip file and then have to wait during the time it takes to unzip -- esp. w/ large files. But either way, we're only talking about a difference of a few minutes, so it's not a real big deal one way or the other. Just note that zipping and unzipping takes time with large files. Sometimes it is worth it to trade that time for the advantages of saving disc space.

And even if you DO trash the zip file and then later find you would like to compress a file or folder for some reason, just right click on it and choose Create Archive to compress it into a zip file again. (The zip file will not replace your uncompressed version. You will end up with both the original file and a compressed .zip version of it.)

Hopefully this answers everything you ever wanted to know about zip!

Best,
Babz

thanks Babz i feel zippier!

[tobysan]

Just Bought EEP... amazing!!
i had to change my buffer size from 128 to 256, since i notice the typical overload processing noises,

[Dwetmaster]

Isn't there a smaller kontakt player version or do I have to buy the 450$ K3 to be able to use these instruments...

[tobysan]

Isn't a smaller knotakt player version or do I have to buy the 450$ K3 to be able to use these instruments...

Have to buy Kontakt 3 also work with K2

[mhschmieder]

I went ahead and bought Blue Bass last night, as I had noted a huge improvement from the first bass library to the second and so figured this one might correct some of the faults of the earlier ones.

Also, I am more hopeful now that the problems that can be corrected through scripting, such as giving the user control over how/where notes are fingered on the neck (that is, which position and which string, vs. the unfortunate defaults), will be addressed in future NI updates of Scarbee.

A dynamite combo would be NI using Scarbee for keyboard and bass content, and Pettinhouse for guitar content, alongside expanded use of Chris Hein for horns. Then they would truly have the strongest general purpose rock-oriented sample library suite in the industry.

I'm guessing something similar to Alicia Keys Piano may find its way into NI's roster as well, and that perhaps that and Vintage Keyboard Bundle may partially or fully replace Akoustik and/or Elektrik Piano.

I almost missed this four-day sale since I only got back yesterday. I didn't even notice this was a new thread at first as it popped to page two, so apologise for announcing the NI partnership as "news" when it had already been noted earlier. But it only showed up at harmony-central yesterday.

[tobysan]

Does any one use Scarbee Vintage Keyboard FX ?
I am looking some fx to use with scarbee E.E.P (wurlitzer), any suggestion ?

thanks

[mhschmieder]

Those are by far the best effects to use with electric pianos, as they are modeled after typical effects used back in the day and so really contribute towards creating all the well-known permutations of electric piano sounds.

The problem is that the interface is awful! There's barely any fine-grained control, and separate from the performance issues I have on my weak computer (where it barely runs even in bounce to disc mode), it is very difficult to tell what settings you have.

I am hoping that NI will also take over this product from Scarbee, and overhaul its GUI.

As I said though, this is probably the most CPU-intensive effects plug-in I have used, excepting the excellent Eiosis ELS Vocoder which I have to put off buying until I get a new computer.

The other effects choice for Scarbee libraries would be Sound Toys, which isn't all that well-known even though it should be on everyone's machine. This is an astounding plug-in suite with impeccable audio quality and an infinite list of possibilities, covering every analog and digital effect you can think of. The interface even morphs contextually to present different choices based on mode of operation, which makes for more intuitive use than a more rigid and generalised lowest-common-denominator interface would. A truly remarkable design.

I use Sound Toys on all of my Real Analog synth tracks, and sometimes turn off effects on my digital synth tracks in deference to Sound Toys. It has the best phaser I've ever heard in software or hardware. Period. That's worth the price of admission alone -- as is the excellent tremolo, which I use on guitar tracks and some clavinet or other e-piano tracks.

I don't tend to use the chorus as much as I have the excellent TC Electronic analog SCF pedal. But when ITB, I will use the Scarbee chorus in most cases as it is so well-tailored for keyboard effecting vs. more general random-instrument effecting like Sound Toys.

The phaser in DP is actually quite good and one of its better built-in effects, but is much more limited than SoundToys. I no longer use it as a result, but got excellent results with it before buying SoundToys.

For delay, I like plate-based delay and so usually use IK Multimedia's CSR for that. Sometimes I also use its plate reverb (I don't care much for hall or room reverb as it doesn't mix as well in most cases). But I don't tend to apply plate-based delays/reverbs to electric piano tracks.