Is there someone who could help with installing PLUG-INS???

[Pedwin]

Hello Folks,

Some of you might remember from last year that my experience with sequencer recording is quiet limited and outdated, not to say antic . I'm talking about the time of ATARI/Cubase 1.0, Tripple Dat & PC/Logic 2.0-4.0, just to give you an idea. As a result the subject of installing plug-ins on a Mac and knowing how to organize them to find them back in DP is kind of a problem for me.

I wanted to start with my 1st of 12 mixing assignments for my introduction course to recording. But now it seems that I do need some help to actually get started.

Question:
Is there anyone online who could help me with some advice as I do not know how to install plug-in software on the right location? What I try to do is to get everything in the path of system/library/audio/plug-ins or just on the system disk.
I also do not know how to choose between MOTU Audio Export, MAS or VST as I do not see a screen pop-up with this choice.

DP 6.02 is now installed and also the drivers for the I/O's (FireFace800 & Multiface).

BFD2 (can only be opened standalone)
EZ drum. (can only be opened standalone)
EZX Latin Perc.
Guitar Rig3
Real Guitar 2L
Chris Hein Bass
Installation Interfaces Service Center (i think I can manage to get this one installed)
Aturia Brass
Melodyne3 CRE8
Altiverb (vs. 6 regular)
UAD Extreme PAK
MachFive2
HaLion vs.2.0 (incl. 4 Cd's content; does it make sense to use this old version with DP6 and Mach5?? date/quality?? etc??)
EastWest Symphonic Orchestra
Synthogy Ivory Piano vs. 1.5 (can only be opened as standalone)

It would be great If someone could drop a note to get me in the right direction . . .

Thanks in advance,
and kind regards,

pedwin

[bkshepard]

I have a bunch of those, and in each case, the manual that came with them tells exactly how/where to install them.

[SixStringGeek]

Typically, the plugin's installer just does the right thing.

The right thing is for them to end up in /Library/Audio/Plug-ins/Components (for AU's - files ending in .component) or /Library/Audio/Plug-ins/MAS for MAS components. DP doesn't support VST.

DP will prefer to use MAS versions of plugins if available, otherwise it will use AU versions. You do not have to choose this.

Where the rest of the plugins data lives - such as patch info or samples - is plugin specific but a lot of them put patch info in /Library/Application Support/VendorName/PluginName.

But the best thing to do is maybe rerun the plugin installer. When DP starts up, it checks all the plugins it finds against a list it keeps of known good plugs. If a new one is found, it runs a validation test against it. If it passes it gets loaded from then on. If it fails, it is never loaded again. This cache can get messed up and needs to be deleted.

More info is here: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/oct07/a ... p_1007.htm

[Spikey Horse]

What's the deal with the 3 plugs which only open standalone?

Where did it say / who told you that? You should be able to instal them so they open the in DP.

[Pedwin]

Thank you Guys. I still need to get used to not installing the MS Office Way, where I would make folders and maps for instrument type of groups (e.g. voices, drums & percussion, piano & keyboards, guitars & basses, strings & sound effects) as the Plug-ins and OS X seem to know which is the coziest place on my computer.

B.t.w., also thanks for the linked article of http://www.soundonsound.com;
I also found a thread where James re-mentioned the book

Digital Performer 6 Power!: The Comprehensive… (Paperback)
by Don Barretti

. As I had just purchased DP 5 together with a training video, while not being ready with my construction work for the studio, I actually never got the opportunity to use version 5. And now that I'm in the last phase my dealer has already sent me the upgrade to DP6.02, which is why I am also looking for some extra hands-on suggestions in form of a training video or a good written book.

What I am really happy about is that I learned today about how to use Logic's virtual instruments in DP6, which for me had been the last reason to stick to DP. For most of the DP musicians here this might all seem like simplicity itself, but coming from an unhealthy burn-out situation with the result of still having problems to gather a large amount of information while also having missed technological developments in studio recording for more than 12 yrs., it feels like Alice in Wonderland. .

Regarding the standalone situation of the three pug-ins . . . I don't know why or how this happened, but I think I will re-install everything tomorrow morning and let you know how/if it works. Once again, thanks a lot.

Kind regards,
pedwin

[SixStringGeek]

I learned today about how to use Logic's virtual instruments in DP6

How do you do that? I thought they only worked in Logic.

[timriley]

I learned today about how to use Logic's virtual instruments in DP6

How do you do that? I thought they only worked in Logic.

I think he must be talking about IAC or inter-application communication. You use inter-application MIDI to trigger the sounds in Logic (or other programs/standalone VIs) and return the audio using something like Soundflower or Jack. Here's a description how to do it from the motu website.

http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... garageband

[Armageddon]

Most plug-in installers are pretty self-explanatory, and will automatically deposit the correct type of plug in the correct Library folder (in some cases, you'll have to make sure that the "AU" option is selected in types of plug-ins your installer can install, since VST, RTAS, AS and TDM versions of the plug won't typically open in DP) without your involvement. DP 6 not only examines and qualifies your plugs for use in DP, but it allows you to "force" a previously unusable plug to load (go into Preferences, under Audio Plug-ins).

Now, here's something you haven't mentioned, but bears asking, because I notice at least a couple of your plugs (in particular, your EastWest VI) are iLok-dependent. This is pretty tricky ... and if you don't have an iLok key (iLok-dependent plugs don't automatically come with them), you'll have to buy one. THEN, you'll have to go to https://www.ilok.com and set up your own iLok account while your key is plugged into a USB port on your computer. Then, while the key is still plugged in, register your iLok-dependent plug-in at whatever site you have to register it at. They should then e-mail you (usually) to let you know they have sent a registration code to your iLok account. You will have to go back to ilok.com, open your iLok account and download the registration into your key ... then, you should be able to open your software. Just make sure the iLok key is plugged in whenever you do so. And I believe you can put up to fifty registrations on one key, so just repeat the process for any plug-in that requires an iLok.

Some software, like the Korg VIs, come with their own USB dongle, and you'll have to follow their specific instructions for putting your registration on the dongle. Again, unless the USB dongle is activated, plugged in and has the proper registration on it (and, in some cases, unless you have the correct licensing software on your machine), it won't allow you to open the plug-in.

[Pedwin]

Most plug-in installers are pretty self-explanatory, and will automatically deposit the correct type of plug in the correct Library folder (in some cases, you'll have to make sure that the "AU" option is selected in types of plug-ins your installer can install, since VST, RTAS, AS and TDM versions of the plug won't typically open in DP) without your involvement.

Good to know as I thought every component on the CD needs to be installed.

DP 6 not only examines and qualifies your plugs for use in DP, but it allows you to "force" a previously unusable plug to load (go into Preferences, under Audio Plug-ins).

Could you help me with some more explanation on the "forcing part" regarding "previously unusable plug to load"?

Now, here's something you haven't mentioned, but bears asking, because I notice at least a couple of your plugs (in particular, your EastWest VI) are iLok-dependent. This is pretty tricky ... and if you don't have an iLok key (iLok-dependent plugs don't automatically come with them), you'll have to buy one. THEN, you'll have to go to https://www.ilok.com and set up your own iLok account while your key is plugged into a USB port on your computer. Then, while the key is still plugged in, register your iLok-dependent plug-in at whatever site you have to register it at. They should then e-mail you (usually) to let you know they have sent a registration code to your iLok account. You will have to go back to ilok.com, open your iLok account and download the registration into your key ... then, you should be able to open your software. Just make sure the iLok key is plugged in whenever you do so. And I believe you can put up to fifty registrations on one key, so just repeat the process for any plug-in that requires an iLok.

In fact I almost forgot to install the iLok on the USB port and to (re-)register my account. For EZdrummer I even got a message that I would not have the right to use the software til I went back to the site of Toontrack to register once again. Tomorrow I will start to install EastWest VI. Let's see how this and the rest will work out.
Thanks "Mountain of Meggido".

I learned today about how to use Logic's virtual instruments in DP6

How do you do that? I thought they only worked in Logic.

I think he must be talking about IAC or inter-application communication. You use inter-application MIDI to trigger the sounds in Logic (or other programs/standalone VIs) and return the audio using something like Soundflower or Jack. Here's a description how to do it from the motu website.
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... garageband

Correct. I'm really curious how it will be to use the instruments (especially the e-piano sounds) of Logic within DP.

cheers,
pedwin

[Armageddon]

Could you help me with some more explanation on the "forcing part" regarding "previously unusable plug to load"?

I've never had a plug-in rejected by DP 6, though I've had a few that DP couldn't see, and those plugs, I believe, are not capable of being used by DP under any circumstances. If that's the case, try seeing if there's an update to the plug or plugs in question on their respective Web sites, update the plug(s) and try it again. Most of the time, this just means the plug's AU architecture is out of date with DP 6, and upgrading to the latest version will likely make it compatible (and visible to DP on startup).

Plugs that are rejected by DP 6, meaning, plugs that DP 6 examines on startup but does not allow to load, can be forced into loading. Let DP 6 open, allow it to examine and reject the plug. Then, once you have a DP project open, go into Preferences/Audio Plug-Ins, and you'll see your list of available plug-ins. Most of them will be checked; those are the ones that DP 6 allowed to load. All you have to do is check the ones that DP 6 rejected. Do this, close Prefs, quit DP and re-open the program (for a shorter version, just click "Reload Plugins" in Prefs). The rejected AU plugs should now load with the others. HOWEVER, doing this opens you up to a slew of problems -- using these plugs could cause crashes, these plugs may not work in pre-render mode, these plugs may work but cause all manner of weird audio glitches, and just by virtue of loading these plugs during DP's startup, you may actually cause problems opening project files and even DP itself. If it's worth it to you to experiment, go for it, and if the plugs actually do cause problems, all you have to do is, go back into Prefs/Audio Plug-ins and uncheck the offending plugs. This way, DP won't load the plugs, but you'll still be able to use them in other programs without actually having to trash the plugs from your Components Folder.