DP7 THE WISH LIST

[burn em]

• Longer faders - scalable would be super cool. with metering options
• more customizing options in the meter bridge
• An IO/aux plugin that allows access to busses as well as analogue in and outs with delay compensation
• Add mutiband to the masterworks gate (similar to the waves C1 comp gate) but keep the "real" sidechain
• a tiny transport window that can be include in the consolidated window
• more than 1 consolidated window - this would be very easy

[Frodo]

My DP7 Wish List:

*That there is no DP8 wish list.

[kassonica]

My DP7 Wish List:

*That there is no DP8 wish list.

Post of the year so far

[Timeline]

Nice stuff there burn em...

I'll be dead by the time DP 8 comes around.

[noah330]

One thing I would like is for MOTU to CONTINUE TO OFFER A PRINT MANUAL.

I love the big manuals - Cakewalk always gave a nice manual as well, not sure if they still do. A .pdf is nowhere near as good as a print manual when you need to look something up.

When I switched over to DP I spent a lot of time putting stickies in the manual, looking things up and figuring out where the tools I needed were located. I was frustrated when I started using DP but after spending time reading the manual and using the program I really like it.

[melenko]

Maybe something like this...? Except for MIDI.
Sorry if it isn't MOTU's work.
http://www.propellerheads.se/products/record/

[Prime Mover]

1. Make it 64-bit
2. Steamline/fix-up the UI a bit
3. Make everything already there work more efficiently
4. add 2 or so new plugins

Of course, there are more like augmented track folders and whatnot, but for the most part, they just need to get what they have working more smoothly. But 64-bit seems like a no-brainer for a 2010-11 release to me.

[sdfalk]

1. Make it 64-bit
2. Steamline/fix-up the UI a bit
3. Make everything already there work more efficiently
4. add 2 or so new plugins

Of course, there are more like augmented track folders and whatnot, but for the most part, they just need to get what they have working more smoothly. But 64-bit seems like a no-brainer for a 2010-11 release to me.

+1

[James Steele]

4. add 2 or so new plugins

I'm late to this, but that one I disagree with. Forget the plug-ins. Improve what's there. How about finally being big enough to admit that hardly any third party vendors support MAS any more and scrap the "MAS AudioUnit Support.bundle" thingy, which is a wrapper, and built direct AU support into DP. I often wonder if the reason some AU's give DP problems and they don't in other DAWS is this AU --> MAS abstraction layer? If need be they can make the bundled DP plugs into some sort of proprietary "built-in" format so that people can't use them in other hosts, but just embrace Audio Units already. And again, no new plug-ins... leave that stuff to the specialized plug-in developers who do that better for the most part and focus on making a solid, efficient HOST DAW.

Frankly, I can only speculate, but it seems like MOTU's entries into the plug-in market may be designed to generate revenue and that's why they do them. But it does not good to release them with issues, or not follow up and aggressively stamp out bugs etc. or demonstrate a strong commitment to the product. How long was the wait between MachFive 1.0 and MachFive 2.0. How many of MOTU's own plugs don't work with DP6's ability to bounce them down without printing to audio? When was the last MachFive update? How many third party developers even bother with releasing instrument libraries as MachFive format? It's all Kontakt from what I understand.

I was under the impression that MachFive and other of their plugs are actually contracted out to the French company that makes UVI Workstation. I don't know if that's why upgrades are slow in coming or not, but it seems like maybe being a smaller company might take stock and evaluate how many irons they have in the fire and decide whether it's best to do a few things extremely well, or a whole bunch of things in a mediocre fashion. With Presonus hiring good talent over from Steinberg and releasing Studio One, they're about to have yet another competitor. And the Presonus folks have already said on gearslutz that hardware inserts with delay compensation is something they are already working on, but it might not make it into the 1.0 release. What are our hopes for seeing such an imminently useful feature in the near future? Anybody want to bet who will bring that feature to market first?

My point is that the competition is hungry and if you competitors are energetic and aggressive and willing to innovate and address customer needs ad requests promptly, while you leave them waiting and wanting, you're going to be in trouble. Relying on the ineptitude or the legacy issues of one's competition for success isn't going to cut it indefinitely. It's the law of business... the law of the jungle. The DAW industry and music technology industry isn't one of those industries liable to get a government bail out, so it's truly sink or swim.

Heck... I'm still waiting for transport control of DP from CueMix. Let's see... the same company makes both apps, so how hard could that one be? How many more years for that one?

Don't get me wrong. I love DP, and I do my best to support MOTU... but it can be a frustrating thing.

[toodamnhip]

4. add 2 or so new plugins

I'm late to this, but that one I disagree with. Forget the plug-ins. Improve what's there. How about finally being big enough to admit that hardly any third party vendors support MAS any more and scrap the "MAS AudioUnit Support.bundle" thingy, which is a wrapper, and built direct AU support into DP. I often wonder if the reason some AU's give DP problems and they don't in other DAWS is this AU --> MAS abstraction layer? If need be they can make the bundled DP plugs into some sort of proprietary "built-in" format so that people can't use them in other hosts, but just embrace Audio Units already. And again, no new plug-ins... leave that stuff to the specialized plug-in developers who do that better for the most part and focus on making a solid, efficient HOST DAW.

Frankly, I can only speculate, but it seems like MOTU's entries into the plug-in market may be designed to generate revenue and that's why they do them. But it does not good to release them with issues, or not follow up and aggressively stamp out bugs etc. or demonstrate a strong commitment to the product. How long was the wait between MachFive 1.0 and MachFive 2.0. How many of MOTU's own plugs don't work with DP6's ability to bounce them down without printing to audio? When was the last MachFive update? How many third party developers even bother with releasing instrument libraries as MachFive format? It's all Kontakt from what I understand.

I was under the impression that MachFive and other of their plugs are actually contracted out to the French company that makes UVI Workstation. I don't know if that's why upgrades are slow in coming or not, but it seems like maybe being a smaller company might take stock and evaluate how many irons they have in the fire and decide whether it's best to do a few things extremely well, or a whole bunch of things in a mediocre fashion. With Presonus hiring good talent over from Steinberg and releasing Studio One, they're about to have yet another competitor. And the Presonus folks have already said on gearslutz that hardware inserts with delay compensation is something they are already working on, but it might not make it into the 1.0 release. What are our hopes for seeing such an imminently useful feature in the near future? Anybody want to bet who will bring that feature to market first?

My point is that the competition is hungry and if you competitors are energetic and aggressive and willing to innovate and address customer needs ad requests promptly, while you leave them waiting and wanting, you're going to be in trouble. Relying on the ineptitude or the legacy issues of one's competition for success isn't going to cut it indefinitely. It's the law of business... the law of the jungle. The DAW industry and music technology industry isn't one of those industries liable to get a government bail out, so it's truly sink or swim.

Heck... I'm still waiting for transport control of DP from CueMix. Let's see... the same company makes both apps, so how hard could that one be? How many more years for that one?

Don't get me wrong. I love DP, and I do my best to support MOTU... but it can be a frustrating thing.

Amen Brotha!

[Khursor]

ONE THING.

AUTO-SAVE

[Tripi]

At the risk of repeating this (I didn't have a whole day to read this thread), I would like to put a request in for a better bounce to quicktime option. Granted, I still use DP5 (and have DP6 also), but I would really like an option for bouncing QT the same way that Quicktime Pro lets you export for web. I almost always bounce a video layback for a client, and then open quicktime to re-export it at a smaller size. The "Export for Web" option in QT has a great preset called "Desktop" which makes an m4v file that looks and sounds great.

Oh..... and make DP7 look exactly like DP5

[Radiogal]

"Multitrack Bounce. Each track to a file" (As done in Samplitude)
Great for export to other DAWs.

[Frodo]

Forget the plug-ins. Improve what's there.

Yes!

Frankly, I can only speculate, but it seems like MOTU's entries into the plug-in market may be designed to generate revenue and that's why they do them. But it does not good to release them with issues, or not follow up and aggressively stamp out bugs etc. or demonstrate a strong commitment to the product. How long was the wait between MachFive 1.0 and MachFive 2.0. How many of MOTU's own plugs don't work with DP6's ability to bounce them down without printing to audio? When was the last MachFive update? How many third party developers even bother with releasing instrument libraries as MachFive format? It's all Kontakt from what I understand.

Interesting point!!

If non-bundled plugins were intended to generate revenues, then something doesn't add up. MX4 and Electric Keys are the only non-bundled VIs to have been updated since DP6 was released last summer. (BPM and Volta appeared after DP6 was released, but the others feel as if they've been all but orphaned.)

MachFive: October, 2007
Ethno and MSI: September, 2006

Like I said earlier, it would be nice not to see a DP8 wishlist appear, but hold onto your hat. There are many who will not even think about Snow Leopard and many who can't even consider it without buying a new machine--- but as software development saunters more closely to Cocoa, developers' attentions will be even more divided than they are now. We're not talking about a year or two from now. We're talking about a matter of months when everything changes once again before they really settle in.

[gaucho]

How many others of you feel that the time-line should be re conceived such that a 2/4 measure takes up half the space of a 4/4 measure, as some other DAWs wisely have it? A quarter note should be the same visual length, take up the same amount of horizontal real-estate, and the playback wiper should only change speed if the tempo were to actually change speed.

A measure line is nothing more than a marker in time, a visual aid to group beats by feel. We should see what we hear.