Shotgun marriage of MIDI to audio

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pjmnash
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Re: Shotgun marriage of MIDI to audio

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monkey man wrote:Doh! I guess you're not him after all; he lacked your sense of humour. Poor chap - all that heat/curry-rash scratchin'...
Yes, I do have a great sense of humor. In my last magazine article [unpublished] I ascribe authorship to Patricia J.Gnash. Why? Because it's titled, "Oprah and Her Gnaughty, Gnasty, Gnarly Gnostic." (It's about that Gnice Gnostic Eckie Tollie and all that--INMO--Gnostic Gnonsense.)
Seriously, I discovered a NEW bunch of [15] DP videos by Recovery something. I have trouble remembering (well, more than most people) the exact name even though I just accessed it cuz of that major stroke I had, but the good news is that after I moved to Texas my doctor wouldn't believe me & so ordered an MRI--after which he confirmed I'm part brain dead.
I know Motunation can't help me there, but I'm concerned that subscribers will think I'm incredibly stupid OR lazy. But I stayed up almost all night to convert a cassette-only release to CD for my Mom's 81st birthday on Easter Sunday. I did it with tolerable distortion but encountered a new problem in playback on the Mac. Here it is:

MY LATEST PROBLEM--OUCH to EARS!

Without recalling I changed anything, I get the intolerable garbage of tremendous distortion on playback through my studio speakers. (Headphones also get garbage too.)
(I checked the connections and they seem to be okay. My Kurzweil [live] comes through great, but itunes and DP are terribly distorted.)
After Sunday I resolve to enter information on this website like you'all do regarding equipment at the end. I don't think I have VI? That's virtual instruments, right? Well I just have the sounds on my Kurzweil 2000--and of course the audio sounds of my many stringed instruments & my voice.
See how advanced you guyses are?
Thanks.
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Re: Shotgun marriage of MIDI to audio

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First MM you are being a bad monkey, good thing it went well. :oops:

It is hard to tell just what you did that made things so bad from what I read here. More information would help but I am going to take a shot in the dark any ways.
You say iTunes sounds bad, are you talking about just the songs you copied? It sounds as if things were ok when you heard them in DP so most likely you need be care full on your summing of tracks when bouncing to disc. I use a master channel and put a mastering limiter on on it. Try redoing the bounce.
Mac Pro 2.8G 8 core,16G ram, 500GB SSD, 2x2TB HD.s 3TB HD, Extn Backup HDs,Nvd 8800 & ATI 5770 video cards,DP8 on OS 10.6.8 and OS 10.8; MOTU 424PCIe, MOTU 2408; Micro express. Video editing deck on firewire, a bunch of plug-ins and VI's.Including; MX3 and M5-3. FCP, Adobe Production Bundle CS6. PCM88mx, some vintage synths linked by MIDI. Mackie 16-4 is my main mixers
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Re: Shotgun marriage of MIDI to audio

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twistedtom wrote:First MM you are being a bad monkey, good thing it went well. :oops:

It is hard to tell just what you did that made things so bad from what I read here. More information would help but I am going to take a shot in the dark any ways.
You say iTunes sounds bad, are you talking about just the songs you copied? It sounds as if things were ok when you heard them in DP so most likely you need be care full on your summing of tracks when bouncing to disc. I use a master channel and put a mastering limiter on on it. Try redoing the bounce.

No, even playing the playlist sounds garbage! As well as DP. So it must be the setup? My K-2000 sounds great as I practice organ on it--clear as a bell.
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How are you running things? Is your Kurzweil running in and out of your computer or is it going through a mixing board? What set up are you using, if you tell us what your using we can be of more help. Are you running into a mixer board and what are you using to get from your computer to it? Check all your levels> Do you have the right out put selected?
Mac Pro 2.8G 8 core,16G ram, 500GB SSD, 2x2TB HD.s 3TB HD, Extn Backup HDs,Nvd 8800 & ATI 5770 video cards,DP8 on OS 10.6.8 and OS 10.8; MOTU 424PCIe, MOTU 2408; Micro express. Video editing deck on firewire, a bunch of plug-ins and VI's.Including; MX3 and M5-3. FCP, Adobe Production Bundle CS6. PCM88mx, some vintage synths linked by MIDI. Mackie 16-4 is my main mixers
, kelsey and Yamaha mixers, Rack of gear. Guitars, piano, PA and more stuff.
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twistedtom wrote:How are you running things? Is your Kurzweil running in and out of your computer or is it going through a mixing board? What set up are you using, if you tell us what your using we can be of more help. Are you running into a mixer board and what are you using to get from your computer to it? Check all your levels> Do you have the right out put selected?
My K-2000 goes to M-Audio--and then straight into the computer--no mixing board. How simple can that be? Tomorrow I'll check all my connections again and set-up--and levels like you say. I worked all day and played music for a Seder too. I'm hoping my bad audio pestilences will PassOver me?
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pjmnash wrote:
twistedtom wrote:How are you running things? Is your Kurzweil running in and out of your computer or is it going through a mixing board? What set up are you using, if you tell us what your using we can be of more help. Are you running into a mixer board and what are you using to get from your computer to it? Check all your levels> Do you have the right out put selected?
Yes, UR right--I exited all my progams and started over and rechecked levels on my M-audio and it's working BUT now my DP won't listen to my instructions about instrumentations on my original sequences! I get soooooo frustrated (which doesn't help a bit) and rechecked my MIDI control on my Kurzweil to make sure it's not on local.
(I think I'll unplug it from the M-audio and run it to my amp when I practice so I don't mess things up. Wouldn't hat help? Of course I keep checking transmit and receive on DP as I heard they switch much.

Because I am literally neurologically disabled I need to write down a checklist of things because I don't remember or think logically. I get easily confused.
But I am solution-oriented so here's what I will do on Monday BecauseI'm going to the physical therapist today and volunteering for my church this weekend with the babies--a non-technical no-brainer to love them!):

I WILL write you you'all a description of my set-up with the ins, outs and throughs of my MIDI & audio!

Then you can ask me whatever you want from there?

Please let me know if this is acceptable an what else you want me to do on Monday?


Thanks a million IF I had it!
Hope these fonts come out right?

Patricia Gnash (but not weeping--but definitely grinding my teeth.)
gonna work on the MIDI-Madness Blues for Dr. Demento? I once did an album for him.
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Re: Shotgun marriage of MIDI to audio

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GROUSE in Dublin wrote:
I've always found it a little strange the way VI's are handled in DP, having to essentially have 2 tracks before you can work. One for the MIDI information and the other holding the instrument. I tend to stay away from "Add Unassigned" (DP 5.13 Project- Add Track- Instrument Track) although I'm sure some find it useful. If you choose "Add Instruments..." from the same spot you get more options. However, you don't need to record on an audio track at the same time. In fact you don't need an audio track at all so something's not right with your set up.
Be more specific, starting with the version of DP you're using.
I do like your analogy, by the way.

Grouse, it worked!
Here is my set-up as you'all asked for:

I have DP 5.13 with no-mixer, bare bones, bare budget setup which should be ultra simple. K-2000 runs mono into front of M-audio [Of course, I have back of M-Audio running MIDI in & out cords to K-2000 and to Mac Mini AND phono cords to back of my Gemsound Amp which runs to my Yorkville speakers.]
How hard can that be?

Anyway, I guess I'm okay now. I fooled with the levels and the distortion is gone.
Once I had a friend over who makes his living repairing computers and when he encountered a problem, he did not seem rational at all--he just kept fooling at it--doing the same thing over and over again. He did everything short of :x kick it until it worked. My theory :lol: is that the universe doesn't always have a rational explanation for everything and that the user is NOT ALWAYS at fault.
I will get back with you'all later in the week when I have another problem. Thanks to all! Send me the bill. . . :roll:
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