Screencast of Composing with DP and Bidule

[pencilina]

Hi,
My 2 cent The great thing about bidule is its flexibility. Your templates become cross platform and even available as plug ins which will be very nice in the future when DP gets a real upgrade to 64 bit in the future. Since I work with big templates a lot of the time I still can't imagine having to deal with juggling everything in one 32 bit platform. I think there are good times to upgrade and bad. IMHO I think its great to go out of DP as much as possible with the cheapest machines possible. Let some little pc do the heavily VI lifting. I'll use the $4000 upgrade money for something else. I'm happy I still use 10.4 and DP 5.13 and as many dumb pcs as I need. I guess if I was making more dough it wouldn't be an issue plus when 64 bit is as ironed out as much my current tools the same 8 core system will be a lot less. Ya know??
Best
B

[c0mp0ser]

New Screencast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peCZzvquaz4&fmt=22

My attempt at being hip and cool with some contemporary sounds.

Oh, and I talk a bit about the VSL SE and reprogramming the samples.

Mike

[erikjamesmusic]

Thanks for these, Mike. I write TV cues like the video you just put up (for the yellow journalism news shows), and you're exactly right - it's more 'sound sculpting' than it is composing. I actually struggle waaayyyy more writing a usable cue for inside edition than i do writing a flute concerto (or whatever). go figure. it is it's own thing, i guess.

I'm interested as to how you're automation volume information with that UC-33 controller. For instance, I have a Kurz PC2-x keyboard, and I know how to automate mod wheel information on it (using the keyboard's modwheel, of course), but how exactly are you automating the volume information (when you're riding the fader on the UC-33, and then even go back to overdub, i'm assuming, another pass of volume). Are you automating the MIDI track that is record enabled? How do you set this up?

Thanks,

e

[c0mp0ser]

Thanks erik,

It's not automation, I'm just recording the MIDI data, CC#1 and CC#7 on the record enabled MIDI track with the UC-33e.

Mike

[instacue]

Gabe S. said: "In my experience, I would say, only go out of DP if you absolutely have to."

Great thread guys!

In my case (film and TV scoring), my template requires way more ram than one instance of DP provides. With 16GB ram on a Mac Pro Intel (2007), OSX 10.4.11, I use 3 large instances of Vienna Ensemble and 4 large instances of Mach Five, all running standalone outside of DP 6.02

I don't use Bidule, instead, I output the audio from the VEs and MFs digitally to ADAT ports on a second 2308, then ADAT in to inputs on the master 2408. 512k buffer in DP and all VIs. To compensate for latency I use time shift on all MIDI tracks (2500 samples early (24 bit, 48kHz) works fine). When I run VIs within DP, like Stylus RMX and Omnisphere, along with the parts played by the external VIs, everything syncs fine.

For MIDI I use interapplication MIDI (in DP, Setup/Interapplication MIDI) - 21 virtual MIDI ports.
Best,
Stu Goldberg
http://www.stugoldberg.com

[bdr]

Sorry to go OT but...wow Stu, would I have seen you playing (or should I say shredding) with John McLaughlin and the One Truth Band in Melbourne around 1979?

Gabe S. said: "In my experience, I would say, only go out of DP if you absolutely have to."

Great thread guys!

In my case (film and TV scoring), my template requires way more ram than one instance of DP provides. With 16GB ram on a Mac Pro Intel (2007), OSX 10.4.11, I use 3 large instances of Vienna Ensemble and 4 large instances of Mach Five, all running standalone outside of DP 6.02

I don't use Bidule, instead, I output the audio from the VEs and MFs digitally to ADAT ports on a second 2308, then ADAT in to inputs on the master 2408. 512k buffer in DP and all VIs. To compensate for latency I use time shift on all MIDI tracks (2500 samples early (24 bit, 48kHz) works fine). When I run VIs within DP, like Stylus RMX and Omnisphere, along with the parts played by the external VIs, everything syncs fine.

For MIDI I use interapplication MIDI (in DP, Setup/Interapplication MIDI) - 21 virtual MIDI ports.
Best,
Stu Goldberg
http://www.stugoldberg.com

[instacue]

Hi bdr,
Not meaning to be rude OT, but yes. Those were great times!
Best,
--Stu

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Hi bdr,
Not meaning to be rude OT, but yes. Those were great times!
Best,
--Stu

Ha! 12 pages into the thread and you guys are worried about going o/t?!

[wylie1]

This thread has become a very interesting learning experience.
Thanx again.

[RobA]

Perhaps this should be a new thread, but in response to Stu's post about Interapplication MIDI I succeeded in running several VI's in standalone mode (Absynth 4, Evolve, Play, etc.) but I can't seem to transmit any MTC or Beat clock info to them so I am unable to sync them to DP, even after assigning them as sync destinations in the Setup menu.

What am I missing?

Thanks for starting this thread, Mike!

RobA

[rikp]

Perhaps this should be a new thread, but in response to Stu's post about Interapplication MIDI I succeeded in running several VI's in standalone mode (Absynth 4, Evolve, Play, etc.) but I can't seem to transmit any MTC or Beat clock info to them so I am unable to sync them to DP, even after assigning them as sync destinations in the Setup menu.

What am I missing?

Thanks for starting this thread, Mike!

RobA

Rob,

Are you running DP and Bidule in rewire mode? You need to launch DP first then Bidule and make sure that it is reading Rewire mode. Don't know if that is your problem, but it might help.


Peace

Rik Pfenninger

[RobA]

Thanks for the post Rik... Actually I was not using Bidule at all, not that I don't like it or anything, it's just that Stu's method (using Interapplication MIDI) seemed so much less involved than the flow chart required to get Bidule funtioning. Like I said, it works fine for anything that doesn't need tempo syncing, like VSL or Play, and it is easy to set up, it just doesn't work (for me) with something that needs to be sync'd, like Absynth rhythmic patches.

I'm just looking for the simplest way to do what Bidule does as far as using more of my computer's RAM by using standalone modes of my plugins - without having to use yet another program in the mix.

RobA

[rikp]

Thanks for the post Rik... Actually I was not using Bidule at all, not that I don't like it or anything, it's just that Stu's method (using Interapplication MIDI) seemed so much less involved than the flow chart required to get Bidule funtioning. Like I said, it works fine for anything that doesn't need tempo syncing, like VSL or Play, and it is easy to set up, it just doesn't work (for me) with something that needs to be sync'd, like Absynth rhythmic patches.

I'm just looking for the simplest way to do what Bidule does as far as using more of my computer's RAM by using standalone modes of my plugins - without having to use yet another program in the mix.

RobA

Sorry about that Rob. I assumed that you were using Bidule, since that was what the thread was about. Can't help you with Interapplication MIDI.

Peace

Rik Pfenninger

[Gabe S.]

.... I succeeded in running several VI's in standalone mode (Absynth 4, Evolve, Play, etc.) but I can't seem to transmit any MTC or Beat clock info to them so I am unable to sync them to DP, even after assigning them as sync destinations in the Setup menu.

.... I 'm just looking for the simplest way to do what Bidule does as far as using more of my computer's RAM by using standalone modes of my plugins - without having to use yet another program in the mix.

I'm not sure about the answer to your Interapplication MIDI question, but I just wanted to mention, if you're running several plugins in standalone outside DP, I would say that ultimately, that is probably more difficult to use than learning a Bidule-like program. What I mean is, with a host like Bidule, all you have to do is open your DP session, and then your Bidule session and all your settings pop up. I have to imagine launching a DP session, then 4 standalones and then loading the saved setups for each standalone would be quite cumbersome in the long run.

A host like Bidule could really speed up launching all those things, plus it can transfer up to 96 channels of audio via ReWire which is way more than Soundflower, so you have a lot of flexibility with your audio routing. Plus, you do get all that sync info via ReWire. And, plugins like Omnisphere, RMX and the upcoming Trilian don't run standalone. For sure, in a big session, I'd run Omnisphere in Bidule.

Just a thought.

Cheers.
-gabe

[RobA]

All good points Gabe... thank you. I will continue to mull, but I think you've turned me back around to my Bidule solution.

Thanks again for the response....
RobA