Screencast of Composing with DP and Bidule

[jroadrage]

To be clear, does it erase the Bidule file or the DP file? I'm assuming it's the Bidule file.

Yep, just the .bidule file

[dosuna11]

Anyone know what Bidule means? Is it a "thingamajig?"

I'm thinking it means 'binary module' or is a bastardization of that Maybe: bi-module?) since it is modular and is usually (I suppose) used along with a ancillary program of some sort.

RE: K3 crashes - not sure why it's doing that as I've only started with bidule today myself, but it was crashing for me until I removed GPO's AU. If K3 has a VST, you might remove the AU (or visa versa). My GPO is corrupted and I have to reinstall that and the K2 player. Otherwise, it seems to be playing nicely.

Can't wait for the Shooshmeister to put up a few skins...

http://www.mts.net/~mathers/q1_skin.html

BTW, the developer says:

Bidule?!!
What's in a name? The word "Bidule" is French for "thingy" or "gadget". Plogue is Québécois French slang for the verb "to plug". Put 'em together and what do you get? Software for plugging gadgets and thingies together. Got the picture?

What the hell does he know!

A lot, apparently...

So As I understand it It doesn't like to play with AU and is friendly with VST?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

So As I understand it It doesn't like to play with AU and is friendly with VST?

No, as I DON'T understand it, that was a suggestion. As I said, my GPO plug is corrupted and removing it fixed the problem. You might try reinstalling K3 as well. I don't know what the actual problem is...

[jroadrage]

"

So As I understand it It doesn't like to play with AU and is friendly with VST?

I asked this same question over on the Plogue forums and here's the response that I got:

"Depends on the developer, otherwise the only case where it might make a difference with no relation to the developer would be if the AU version can do stereo or some other channel count you need and that is less than the total number of outputs the VST version has."

[dosuna11]

Thanks for the reply. This looks promising as I have an iMac with only 2.5 gigs memory in 5.13.

[dacart]

Loved the screencasts! I was wondering what vocal library you are using. I saw VOA in the track name and couldn't figure out what it stood for.

Thanks for all the good material!

Dan Carter

[c0mp0ser]

Voices of the Apocalypse. I love that library!

[wylie1]

Voices of the Apocalypse. I love that library!

I see lots of references to that but don't see who makes it.
May I have a link?

[dacart]

It is (or rather was) an East West product at http://www.soundsonline.com/home.php I believe it was the precursor to their Symphonic Choirs. Currently it is possible to get the PLAY version of SC with the option of buying the Voices of the Apocalypse add on library. It actually looks to be a pretty good deal and if you are upgrading from the Kontakt library format it's a really good deal. Since I am still on my lowly dual 2 G5 PPC the PLAY version of Platinum plus EWQLSO sucks the horsepower out of my CPU pretty quickly (I am not complaining just stating the inevitable:-) That being said the PLAY version SOUNDS amazing and is a huge improvement sonically over the Kontakt version. I am assuming the same to be true of SC with VOTA.

[wylie1]

Thanx dacart

[James Steele]

Hmmm... somebody help me out a little here if possible: I just got to messing around with DP and Bidule and managed to set up Bidule layout with an instance of Addictive Drums and started experimenting with a project where I intended to one at a time offload my VIs from DP to Bidule. I only got part of the way but noticed a couple of issues.

1) This is the big one for me: timing seems off for some reason. Is there a latency going on with Bidule? I'll re-read this thread, but it seems like playback is off. Do MIDI tracks that target a Bidule-hosted VI need to be offset a certain number of ticks early?

2) Cannot monitor through Stereo Audio track? Must it be an Aux track with ReWire?

Just curious... thanks!

[c0mp0ser]

Hi James,

Yes, any plugins that are in Bidule are subject to latency based on the buffer settings. Plugins in the V-rack in DP, as we know, has that automatic plugin latency compensation.
Personally, since I do mostly orchestral stuff, I don't need to be ultra exact, and usually just play a bit before the beat. If I need something exact, like a drum kit or loops or Stylus, or something like that, I put it in the v-rack so that what you see MIDI-wise, is what you get.

Yeah, it has to be an aux track.

Mike

[James Steele]

Hi James,

Yes, any plugins that are in Bidule are subject to latency based on the buffer settings. Plugins in the V-rack in DP, as we know, has that automatic plugin latency compensation.
Personally, since I do mostly orchestral stuff, I don't need to be ultra exact, and usually just play a bit before the beat. If I need something exact, like a drum kit or loops or Stylus, or something like that, I put it in the v-rack so that what you see MIDI-wise, is what you get.

Yeah, it has to be an aux track.

Mike

Hey thanks, Mike! I appreciate it. I put a "Time Shift" plug in on the MIDI track and used 110 ticks. Hmmm... so there's latency based on DP's buffer or Bidule's? I'll look into it. I'm using 1024 buffer in DP as I always do. Any way, this is good to know. Seems like if it's simply having to do with an audio buffer, then once one KNOWS what the correct offset is, it should be the same for all VIs one would suspect.

[c0mp0ser]

Yeah, DP's buffer. I have mine set to 512. And that's on a Mac Pro 8-core.
Yeah, I think finding the amount of ticks to shift based on your buffer would be something that's good to know... I've just been doing it by ear.
Basically, if it's something like a snare part, I'll play it in, then quantize.. then select the whole thing and nudge it to the left ever so slightly. But yeah, it would be good to know the exact value... hmmm.

Mike

[James Steele]

Yeah, DP's buffer. I have mine set to 512. And that's on a Mac Pro 8-core.
Yeah, I think finding the amount of ticks to shift based on your buffer would be something that's good to know... I've just been doing it by ear.
Basically, if it's something like a snare part, I'll play it in, then quantize.. then select the whole thing and nudge it to the left ever so slightly. But yeah, it would be good to know the exact value... hmmm.

Mike

Cool... I duplicated the MIDI track and sent one to AD hosted with DP and one hosted in Bidule and then adjusted the Time Shift on the MIDI track going to Bidule until the flamming was mostly gone. That ended up being 65 MIDI ticks (I'm using 480 ppq and my current tempo was 80bpm). Any way, that's definitely a constant value that should be the same for all MIDI tracks targeting a Bidule-hosted VI.

Of course, there's the whole sticky issue of what happens with a ritardando or accelerando... or maybe not come to think of it. If the change in tempo is handled by the conductor track and the MIDI track routed to Bidule is following that conductor track, then the constant offset should be fine???