Cross-Fade Help in DP5

[yavn]

Sorry for the noob question, but despite using DP for years, I've never had a need to cross-fade. Now I do, and I'm not really sure how.

I've looked arond online, but no luck so far.

Any help, or a good place for info would be great.

Thanks,
Yavn

[Frodo]

It's really very simple--

DP5 manual, pp. 557-564. This is the single, most important resource which is very thoroughly explained.

[yavn]

Thanks Frodo,
I've read it a few time, but it's a bit much for my tiny brain. I'm still lost between centered, pre, post, equal gain, equal power and independnt on pages 560 - 561!

Are there any good videos showing this in action?

I've selected the area of the clip I want to fade, but clicking the Fade from the Audio menu is having no effect....

Yavn

[Frodo]

Yavn--

Click-drag the end/start of the soundbites you want to highlight the incident of the cross fade. Choose Fade from the Audio menu and select a cross fade-- an "X". If the fade doesn't behave as you want it to, edit the fade curve or choose a different fade. The term descriptions are probably less important than the effect your desire.

Here's a vid that touches on the issue:
http://cdn4.libsyn.com/tutorialdepot/TD ... a2697f7196

The tips in this short vid can be done using what's already there on the soundbites without setting up anything-- those handles in the upper corners of the soundbites. Dragging these handles follows the settings already made in the Audio menu- Fade window.

[Tim]

For punch-ins and simple edits an Equal Gain Fixed Length crossfade at around 2 - 10ms will do fine much of the time.

Other than that, just experiment with the different fade options and lengths to hear how they work.


BTW: How did you not need it for all those years?

[kassonica]

For punch-ins and simple edits an Equal Gain Fixed Length crossfade at around 2 - 10ms will do fine much of the time.

Other than that, just experiment with the different fade options and lengths to hear how they work.


BTW: How did you not need it for all those years?

I would love to know that as well.....

[grouse]

you also have to make sure the soundbites are touching for a cross-fade. if you're zoomed out it might look like they are side by side but if you zoom in there might be a space between them. in this case you can add a fade to each of them separately.

[yavn]

For punch-ins and simple edits an Equal Gain Fixed Length crossfade at around 2 - 10ms will do fine much of the time.

Other than that, just experiment with the different fade options and lengths to hear how they work.


BTW: How did you not need it for all those years?

I would love to know that as well.....

Ahh yes good question...

My DP needs are pretty average...I'm trying to get a looped string pad to not hiccup at the loop. The easy solution was to loop the part, record the audio for the whole track and then fade it in and out manually. For the most part I have a lot of tracks that have hiccups.

One of my New Year resolutions was to lean DP better. It's easy to get comfy and use it the way I always have. Since I'm not running a studio or doing anything professional this has worked for me. For the most part I've been using P / DP the same since starting with P3. I'm sure there are 100's of other shortcuts and good tips that would help, but where do you really start? I know just enough about DP to be dangerous....

Thanks for all the help, I'll have a look at the video as well.

Yavn

[Tim]

I'm trying to get a looped string pad to not hiccup at the loop.

In that case you may want to experiment with long, and non-symmetrical x-fades (making sure that there's plenty of soundbite overlap).

[Todzilla]

you also have to make sure the soundbites are touching for a cross-fade. if you're zoomed out it might look like they are side by side but if you zoom in there might be a space between them. in this case you can add a fade to each of them separately.

Not sure how to explain this, but (here goes...) don't you also have to ensure those soundbites originally extended beyond the "touch" point, so that DP can use the material before and after the touchpoints of the respective soundbites to do the fade in of the second half and the fadeout of the first half?

In other words, you can't just take two discreet soundbites that haven't been truncated and cross fade them.

DOes this make sense?

[grouse]

Not sure how to explain this, but (here goes...) don't you also have to ensure those soundbites originally extended beyond the "touch" point, so that DP can use the material before and after the touchpoints of the respective soundbites to do the fade in of the second half and the fadeout of the first half?

In other words, you can't just take two discreet soundbites that haven't been truncated and cross fade them.

DOes this make sense?

it does make sense, todzilla, but the answer to your query is no. in fact, despite what i said, they don't even need to be actually touching, zoomed fully in. i just tried it out. but they do need to be very close! (don't know if there's an official amount of ticks).
they definitely don't have to overlap. you can take 2 distinct soundbites with definitive end points side by side and cross fade between them.
in this case one fades out and then the other fades in rather than this process happening at the same time, as it were.