Euphonix DP Update

[stephentayler]

I only have the MCMix, and I think the Studio Monitor Express is designed to work with the MC Control. I have a dedicated SPL monitor controller for surround.

Cheers

Stephen

[IO]

So i got this in the mail today... Just wanted to pass it on...

"Hello - -

Ver 1.2.5 is about to release.
This includes several DP fixes.
There is still a known "crash on quit" on the Motu side, however we have resolved the ones on our side.

There are also fixes for MIDI faders and Pans.

best regards,"

[stephentayler]

1.2.5 has just appeared... downloading now

Cheers

Stephen

[James Steele]

1.2.5 has just appeared... downloading now

Cheers

Stephen

Can't wait to hear about it. I'm putting off taking the plunge until I hear this thing is really tight with DP.

[IO]

im buying a mc control but am trying to get it for 800-900 i got my mc mix for 500 and refuse to pay full price if i am going to beta test hardware. i am especially interested in the studio monitor express software.. so i can get rid of that damm big knob (which i hate!!!). i am thinking about picking up some adam a7's or a5's tonight.. im @ work and cant test the euphonix update, i would love if a nyone who tries it now please post your experience mainly are the outstanding bugs that i pointed out still there.. thanks

[HCMarkus]

im buying a mc control but am trying to get it for 800-900 i got my mc mix for 500 and refuse to pay full price if i am going to beta test hardware. i am especially interested in the studio monitor express software.. so i can get rid of that damm big knob (which i hate!!!). i am thinking about picking up some adam a7's or a5's tonight.. im @ work and cant test the euphonix update, i would love if a nyone who tries it now please post your experience mainly are the outstanding bugs that i pointed out still there.. thanks

Any more $500 MC Mixes out there?

[bootsncats]

yea! holy cow I'd get like 4 if I found them for $500

The 1.2.5 update has fixed many of my issues. I am doing a full on session with it tomorrow and I'll post the response. I don't mind the crash on quit cause I'm quitting it anyways. THE JOG WORKS!!!!! holy crap! also, the knobs work through plugins pretty well and call those plugins to the front on select. NICE! my preset button configs work great and now that I have a touch screen that works, its responsive enough. the colors match those on DP now so thats a huge relief cause I'm a color coding guy. Also the record enable is straight forward. Transport buttons work like a charm and no stutter yet. I love the MC controll with my stillwell plugs. Simplified user interfaces do wonders when translating to my rotaries. Also, I just got the MC controll to work in Traktor. I loves. More on the awesomeness combo soon. I just wish there was a bonus for those who bought early. and have waded through the swamp of buggs. I would like a cookie.

Stephen

[Frodo]

I just wish there was a bonus for those who bought early. and have waded through the swamp of buggs. I would like a cookie.

Stephen

Congrats, Stephen, and thanks. I've been waiting for a year to hear this kind of enthusiasm for Eucon in DP.

Here ya go!!

[IO]

i wish there was something for us early adopters also. but i can say im gald tech support read our emails and listened. i have done so and encourage all dp/euphonix owners to write euphonix and express their feelings so they can see there is a real interest and DP user base. everything i wrote them about has been fixed. so my statement that euphonix was no better than mackie has been rendered null and void..

on another note the studio monitor express software does work with out the mc control. you just have to use the software gui to control it. i guess the benefit of the software with the mc control in an actual rotary encoder to control gain, and softkeys to choose speakers.

[James Steele]

So does this mean that the DP support is as functional as Logic now? Is it *safe* to jump in? (James eyes his credit card balance.)

[superjeezus]

So does this mean that the DP support is as functional as Logic now? Is it *safe* to jump in? (James eyes his credit card balance.)

The thing I would be careful about is the processor utilization issue when a session has many audio or MIDI tracks with Eucon enabled. This issue got considerably worse with DP 6.02. I reported it to Euphonix a couple days after 6.02 came out. The same day, they confirmed that there was indeed a problem and they could re-create it. I wasn't even going to try to report it to MOTU, they don't seem to be very responsive lately. Euphonix said that the impending Eucon update was not meant to specifically address this issue, and they didn't know when a fix would be available. I don't know if DP or Euphonix is to blame.

To re-create the issue, you just enable Eucon support in a session with about 75 or more tracks of any kind. You may see all kinds of crazy CPU utilization and CPU meter jumping with no data in the session, even when the transport is not moving. My system is a newer Intel 8-core Mac, your mileage may vary.

This issue made the whole Eucon/DP combination unusable for me, because I need to work with a template that contains many blank MIDI tracks.

I have not installed the latest Eucon update and tested the control surfaces with DP. I don't intend to do this anytime too soon; the instability of DP has pushed me to Logic. I need to get work done and I have no more time to Beta test. Perhaps I will install it on a test partition if I need a break in the coming week.

Hope this helps.

[chaim]

The cpu hit on big projects - bug - is not fixed with 1.2.5.

[IO]

thanks for the heads up i never really get that high in teck count, thats why i probably never experienced that before.. i will email them too... i really want to this pan out to be the defacto dp control surface...

[superjeezus]

The cpu hit on big projects - bug - is not fixed with 1.2.5.

This bug is one of those issues that makes me wonder what else is going on with the DP/Eucon combination. DP still crashes on exit with Eucon enabled.

If I may voice a gripe, it is that MOTU and Euphonix are willing to advertise the crap out of the DP/Eucon combo but it has some very fundamental problems. I have seen several MOTU ads in trade magazines, and MOTU is still touting it on their front page. The marketing arm may know not what the development arm is doing, but come on, guys. Get it together.

Sigh...I guess the days are gone (or were they ever here?) when you could trust a 'reputable' company to sell a product that delivers as advertised. I guess I am late to that party. Or at least I expected more from these guys.

I am reminded of the scene in the movie 'Elf' where the publisher is notified that the press run of their latest children's book is missing the last two pages. Instead of making it right, he pushes on and sells thousands of copies.

(yeah, I know....this stuff is complicated. I have worked in software development. But the simplest of tests should have uncovered these problems before shipping the product. And this is just as true for DP 6. There is no way they did a remotely reasonable amount of beta testing before releasing it or any of its concurrent updates. The problems are just too basic and happen on extremely common combinations of software and hardware.)

/end rant

[bootsncats]

well heres my review with a 16 channel simultaneous in with mix FX and mastering plugs live with MC control. My CPU(s0 is fine. The logic integration is not there as far as preset buttons and such but I have my own that I program in now anyway. I use it with logic and it is cool but honestly I'm looking for a few faders and easy viewing of tracks and selection without the mouse. I'm looking for transport thats spunky and responsive while bringing plugins to the forefront while editing parameters. So does it work? YEA! better than my mackie MCU? YEA at half the space too!! is it perfect? no, but is stable enough to use live tracking 16 channels. Most problems I have experienced is just me getting used to the console and the way Euphonix thinks. I'm used to the large format stuff where I don't need function keys cause its all there. I am getting fast with this one and will just take some time to learn. Just like any board that tries to fit more in for less. I love beta testing because I learn the surface as I go. It took me 3 months to feel comfortable doing a live gig with it but I practiced plenty.

Maybe we could make some presets as a community for the soft keys and such and have options for different settings. I'm almost done with a full set on my end and can post the settings once I'm done to try out. and once I figure out if I can even export it.

Euphonix has done a great job getting the features of a pro series control with a small footprint and great price. They earned my respect in the pro section and in order to deliver bleeding edge technology and fixes, us early adopters must step up and work the kinks out. The advantage is, we have the input and have a say in the development and thats worth waiting a few months for and I''m happy to do it. I'm happy to have a surface that fits my needs, is ultra portable small and functional. Theres just nothing that fits better than an MC Control.

I wonder if euphonix is hiring in their PR dept hehe.