Odd DAW vs DAW Shootout

[Frodo]

Why do people keep doing these things?

Summary:
http://nab.broadcastnewsroom.com/articl ... ?id=641669

Chart:
http://www.digitalmusicdoctor.com/shoot ... ummary.htm

[Dwetmaster]

Funny because some of the observation done on DP are a product of the unawareness of the reviewer. Some feature are stated missing when I know of a proper way to achieve the goal intended...

I can't talk for the other software as I don't know them enough.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I like brown rice over white. Brown rice gets a 5.6. White rice: 2.3

That's about how scientific this appears to be. <sigh>

Why do people do this? Because they can't make music.

[Frodo]

I like brown rice over white. Brown rice gets a 5.6. White rice: 2.3

No, no. Brown rice gets a 5.7!! What's the matter with you?!!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I like brown rice over white. Brown rice gets a 5.6. White rice: 2.3

No, no. Brown rice gets a 5.7!! What's the matter with you?!!

You must be using the Bay Leaf PLug-in. That always crashes my pot and it boils over. Once Uncle Ben addresses that, I'll give them the extra .1!

Or as they used to say on American Bandstand "I'll give it nointy!" (translation 90).

[jgest]

I like brown rice over white. Brown rice gets a 5.6. White rice: 2.3

That's about how scientific this appears to be. <sigh>

Why do people do this? Because they can't make music.

If you sprinkle a handful of lentils into your brown rice (1/8 lentils to 7/8's brown rice) before the cooking process, you can bump that 5.6 up-to an easy 7.8

White rice would not even be in same league.....(unless it's Thai night out)

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I like brown rice over white. Brown rice gets a 5.6. White rice: 2.3

That's about how scientific this appears to be. <sigh>

Why do people do this? Because they can't make music.

If you sprinkle a handful of lentils into your brown rice (1/8 lentils to 7/8's brown rice) before the cooking process, you can bump that 5.6 up-to an easy 7.8

White rice would not even be in same league.....(unless it's Thai night out)

Well, I haven't paid the licensing feel for the Lentil VI - I admit I am a lentil pirate! Arrr!

[jgest]

I like brown rice over white. Brown rice gets a 5.6. White rice: 2.3

That's about how scientific this appears to be. <sigh>

Why do people do this? Because they can't make music.

If you sprinkle a handful of lentils into your brown rice (1/8 lentils to 7/8's brown rice) before the cooking process, you can bump that 5.6 up-to an easy 7.8

White rice would not even be in same league.....(unless it's Thai night out)

Well, I haven't paid the licensing feel for the Lentil VI - I admit I am a lentil pirate! Arrr!

no worries, it's freeware

[billf]

I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be caught dead with Fruity Loops in my studio, despite the expert opinion of the Digital Music Doctor.

[James Steele]

I don't know about you guys, but I wouldn't be caught dead with Fruity Loops in my studio, despite the expert opinion of the Digital Music Doctor.

Yeah... but try to be nice... they did a Digital Performer tutorial series and it's a good thing for DP when third party companies create and offer these things.

http://www.digitalmusicdoctor.com/motu_ ... torial.htm

[Shooshie]

Why do people keep doing these things?

Summary:
http://nab.broadcastnewsroom.com/articl ... ?id=641669

Chart:
http://www.digitalmusicdoctor.com/shoot ... ummary.htm

Journalists. They have to hook their readers somehow. If it makes them angry, that's great. P.T. Barnum, and numerous others since, said "there's no such thing as BAD publicity." It made us look, and their hits went up. Notice the rarity of those pages: no response section. You read it and get angry and send out links. If you could respond on the page, your anger would subside, and you would not feel compelled to tell everyone. But really now... Cubase? #1 Sequencer? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Then there were the most searched-for. Boy, THAT'S an indication of a great DAW. Puts Garageband right up there in the running, next to it's grandma, Logic.

Seriously, how many of these people have made a dime on their music, other than writing about it? How many have chosen a DAW as a tool , and tried to do complex real-world requests in real time with people breathing down their necks? Some of the stuff they rate highly is so filled with menus and windows and dialogs that I can be done with a process before they even get through all the things they have to click on. (I know, because we did a real, live shootout in Las Vegas 9 years ago, and not only did Digital Performer win unanimously in blind playback, it was also noted that I finished all my tasks in seconds, compared with minutes by the other guy, who was handy with his rig, also.

It was interesting. When I went into Las Vegas to do the recording project we set out to do, they were wondering whether it would be better to do it in a studio or attempt it at home. I showed them their past 5 studio attempts and asked "did you like any of these?" And they said 'No." I explained why, and suggested that we could have absolute control over the outcome if we did it with our own gear in our own makeshift studio. They were very reluctant to go along with me. "All the experts say you should be using Pro-Tools," they said repeatedly. I replied "two years ago, they'd have been right. But in 2000, we have the CPU power to run native audio with DP, and we'll have much more control over it with our own tools." So, they paraded a string of experts out to watch me and listen to what I was doing, one by one. They all said "before I met Shooshie, I'd have said Pro Tools was the only way you could do this. But now I'm convinced you can do it in Digital Performer." Then one day, without warning, several jeeps and cars pulled up into our drive, and our friends from Cirque de Soleil's two Vegas shows of the time started unloading gear. We set up the shootout, ran it, and listened. While the results were very close, sonically, every single member of the panel -- all audio professionals in the top ranks of Las Vegas -- chose Digital Performer. Everyone.

Not convinced, our manager rented a local studio for 4 days, and we took tracks for one song to be mixed. They spent four days mixing it. Once they were done, the engineer, a friend of mine, dropped off a copy for me to listen to. He winked and suggested I duplicate that mix in Digital Performer and show them what I can do. In four hours, I had not only duplicated the mix, but made it better -- completed ideas they had only started. I burned a copy, then left both CDs on the desk of the artist. He was amazed at the difference. What I had done in DP outshone the studio they went to by orders of magnitude. There was no comparison. And I had done that in 4 hours. They did theirs in 4 days with 4 people involved (which was part of the problem). They never questioned me again, and in fact, a number of people got very interested in Digital Performer.

Of course, what they didn't realize is that I could have done it just as well in Pro Tools or Logic. (well, maybe not Logic) But people are insecure, and tend to trust the herd mentality. I gave them, instead, the "heard" mentality. Once they "heard" it, they were hooked.

Shooshie

[donreynolds]

IIIIIIIIII Like it!!

[Frodo]

Why do people keep doing these things?

Summary:
http://nab.broadcastnewsroom.com/articl ... ?id=641669

Chart:
http://www.digitalmusicdoctor.com/shoot ... ummary.htm

Journalists. They have to hook their readers somehow. If it makes them angry, that's great. P.T. Barnum, and numerous others since, said "there's no such thing as BAD publicity." It made us look, and their hits went up. Notice the rarity of those pages: no response section. You read it and get angry and send out links. If you could respond on the page, your anger would subside, and you would not feel compelled to tell everyone. But really now... Cubase? #1 Sequencer? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah. Then there were the most searched-for. Boy, THAT'S an indication of a great DAW. Puts Garageband right up there in the running, next to it's grandma, Logic.

Seriously, how many of these people have made a dime on their music, other than writing about it? How many have chosen a DAW as a tool , and tried to do complex real-world requests in real time with people breathing down their necks? Some of the stuff they rate highly is so filled with menus and windows and dialogs that I can be done with a process before they even get through all the things they have to click on. (I know, because we did a real, live shootout in Las Vegas 9 years ago, and not only did Digital Performer win unanimously in blind playback, it was also noted that I finished all my tasks in seconds, compared with minutes by the other guy, who was handy with his rig, also.

It was interesting. When I went into Las Vegas to do the recording project we set out to do, they were wondering whether it would be better to do it in a studio or attempt it at home. I showed them their past 5 studio attempts and asked "did you like any of these?" And they said 'No." I explained why, and suggested that we could have absolute control over the outcome if we did it with our own gear in our own makeshift studio. They were very reluctant to go along with me. "All the experts say you should be using Pro-Tools," they said repeatedly. I replied "two years ago, they'd have been right. But in 2000, we have the CPU power to run native audio with DP, and we'll have much more control over it with our own tools." So, they paraded a string of experts out to watch me and listen to what I was doing, one by one. They all said "before I met Shooshie, I'd have said Pro Tools was the only way you could do this. But now I'm convinced you can do it in Digital Performer." Then one day, without warning, several jeeps and cars pulled up into our drive, and our friends from Cirque de Soleil's two Vegas shows of the time started unloading gear. We set up the shootout, ran it, and listened. While the results were very close, sonically, every single member of the panel -- all audio professionals in the top ranks of Las Vegas -- chose Digital Performer. Everyone.

Not convinced, our manager rented a local studio for 4 days, and we took tracks for one song to be mixed. They spent four days mixing it. Once they were done, the engineer, a friend of mine, dropped off a copy for me to listen to. He winked and suggested I duplicate that mix in Digital Performer and show them what I can do. In four hours, I had not only duplicated the mix, but made it better -- completed ideas they had only started. I burned a copy, then left both CDs on the desk of the artist. He was amazed at the difference. What I had done in DP outshone the studio they went to by orders of magnitude. There was no comparison. And I had done that in 4 hours. They did theirs in 4 days with 4 people involved (which was part of the problem). They never questioned me again, and in fact, a number of people got very interested in Digital Performer.

Of course, what they didn't realize is that I could have done it just as well in Pro Tools or Logic. (well, maybe not Logic) But people are insecure, and tend to trust the herd mentality. I gave them, instead, the "heard" mentality. Once they "heard" it, they were hooked.

Shooshie

It just goes to show you that there are a lot of criteria that can't be weighed by numerical value. DP is the best DAW "for me", but that doesn't mean that being #4 is a bad thing in this context. Being #4 in this case *is* to be #1-- if that makes any sense, and it doesn't!

As far as I'm concerned, FL and Sonar (and until the time arrives) ProTools become mere factors *for me*, that are currently inconsequential. But I wouldn't know that from this survey if I were just now shopping around for "the best" DAW.

It has always been about the user first and foremost.

[kassonica]

YAWN DP 10, protools 4, all rest 0

end of story (kassonicas shootout)

[Resonant Alien]

How does one judge the "functionality" of a piece of software objectively? I venture to say it can't be done. "Functionality" means different things to different people, and also has a lot to do with what you are used to using. Someone who learned Logic first probably has trouble navigating DP, and vice-versa. This is about as useful as those "what are the best 10 guitars" threads on TGP. A lot of it is all subjective.