POLAR and other stuff Logic Pro doesn't have...?

[GloryisSilent]

I don't get the loop recording problem you guys have... DP works the same as logic in this regard

[timriley]

I wasn't really comparing to logic. It would just be nice if the loop record function (with overdub) for MIDI tracks, had an additional option, which created a new take with each cycle. Like it does for audio tracks.

I'll just have to struggle on with what I have for now though!

[James Steele]

1. +1. Although there is some opposition to having MIDI regions implemented in DP.....

Opposition? In heaven's name, why? I have Logic Express 8 and I can't stand using it compared to DP, but I do like how I can drag and drop drum patterns from Addictive Drums (et. al.) and have it appear as a MIDI region. I can't see how implementing this in DP would in any way be detrimental.

[Sting]

Comments turned out to be much more helpful than I expected. I got 56 views on the Logic User forum but 0 replies. Lot's of motivation from this site for me to continue researching this issue. Thanks.

[steff3]

Logic VS DP

Logic Pros:
- Logic Environment - flexible routing etc. (especially for routing and experimental music stuff)
- UltraBeat (best Drum VI ever)
- efficiency
- MIDI regions (well, I think an approach (mixed - you can edit MIDI directly but can also display and manipulate it as region blocks) like in PT or maybe Cubase is better than those in DP or Logic - otherwise I prefer DP over Logic for MIDI editing)


DP Pros
- Polar
- DP can handle 32bit float files (one of the biggest unconveniences with Logic IMHO)
- DP has great audio and MIDI editing in SE/Arrangement View
- DP allows destructive plugin processing on regions
- DP can edit surround audio files

hope that helps

best

[timriley]

1. +1. Although there is some opposition to having MIDI regions implemented in DP.....

Opposition? In heaven's name, why? I have Logic Express 8 and I can't stand using it compared to DP, but I do like how I can drag and drop drum patterns from Addictive Drums (et. al.) and have it appear as a MIDI region. I can't see how implementing this in DP would in any way be detrimental.

I just remember this subject being brought up before but some people were dead against it.. Can't remember why exactly! I'd like to see MIDI regions in DP myself..

[Tritonemusic]

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[tonwurm]

I don't get the loop recording problem you guys have... DP works the same as logic in this regard

What would you suggest to do if I want to play a f.e. a piano solo with a MIDI instrument in loop over a 8 bar region ? In logic I can make a cycle and play several takes, every take creates a new track and will be muted, so that I can paly and play and play and listen to the takes after wards

[timriley]

I don't get the loop recording problem you guys have... DP works the same as logic in this regard

What would you suggest to do if I want to play a f.e. a piano solo with a MIDI instrument in loop over a 8 bar region ? In logic I can make a cycle and play several takes, every take creates a new track and will be muted, so that I can paly and play and play and listen to the takes after wards

Hi..

No, unfortunately I dont think there is a way of doing exactly what you have described..

An alternative is to:
1. Set your memory loop start and end points and turn on overdub (as you would when loop recording audio).
2. Set up, lets say, 10 MIDI tracks and route them all to your MIDI instrument.
3. Mute all of the MIDI tracks.
4. Record arm Track one.
5. Press record and play your part.
6. Once you've completed your first take, press the down arrow on your computer keyboard. MIDI track 2 should now be record armed. You can do this without stopping!
7. Repeat this til you are done.
8. To audition each take just play enable the track you wish to hear!

You could perhaps set up a MIDI controller to change the record enabled track, as described in point 6, so you can work away from your computer!

[tonwurm]

I don't get the loop recording problem you guys have... DP works the same as logic in this regard

What would you suggest to do if I want to play a f.e. a piano solo with a MIDI instrument in loop over a 8 bar region ? In logic I can make a cycle and play several takes, every take creates a new track and will be muted, so that I can paly and play and play and listen to the takes after wards

Hi..

No, unfortunately I dont think there is a way of doing exactly what you have described..

An alternative is to:
1. Set your memory loop start and end points and turn on overdub (as you would when loop recording audio).
2. Set up, lets say, 10 MIDI tracks and route them all to your MIDI instrument.
3. Mute all of the MIDI tracks.
4. Record arm Track one.
5. Press record and play your part.
6. Once you've completed your first take, press the down arrow on your computer keyboard. MIDI track 2 should now be record armed. You can do this without stopping!
7. Repeat this til you are done.
8. To audition each take just play enable the track you wish to hear!

You could perhaps set up a MIDI controller to change the record enabled track, as described in point 6, so you can work away from your computer!

thanks for that tip, it can help

but as we can see your tip needs steps 1.-8. to do something you can do in logic with exactly 1 step ,-)

I think there has to be some kind of technical internal limitations in DP, why MOTU hasn´t still not implented such an essential feature

[timriley]

thanks for that tip, it can help

but as we can see your tip needs steps 1.-8. to do something you can do in logic with exactly 1 step ,-)

Agreed!

I think there has to be some kind of technical internal limitations in DP, why MOTU hasn´t still not implented such an essential feature

DP is full of oddities!

[Dwetmaster]

I don't get the loop recording problem you guys have... DP works the same as logic in this regard

What would you suggest to do if I want to play a f.e. a piano solo with a MIDI instrument in loop over a 8 bar region ? In logic I can make a cycle and play several takes, every take creates a new track and will be muted, so that I can paly and play and play and listen to the takes after wards

Hi..

No, unfortunately I dont think there is a way of doing exactly what you have described..

An alternative is to:
1. Set your memory loop start and end points and turn on overdub (as you would when loop recording audio).
2. Set up, lets say, 10 MIDI tracks and route them all to your MIDI instrument.
3. Mute all of the MIDI tracks.
4. Record arm Track one.
5. Press record and play your part.
6. Once you've completed your first take, press the down arrow on your computer keyboard. MIDI track 2 should now be record armed. You can do this without stopping!
7. Repeat this til you are done.
8. To audition each take just play enable the track you wish to hear!

You could perhaps set up a MIDI controller to change the record enabled track, as described in point 6, so you can work away from your computer!

With all due respect there is way simpler than that.
There is a key command for new take in the command window. It only work on record enabled tracks.
Choose the appropriate key you want for it,
Record your take, hit the button and your in another take...

[James Steele]

I don't get the loop recording problem you guys have... DP works the same as logic in this regard

What would you suggest to do if I want to play a f.e. a piano solo with a MIDI instrument in loop over a 8 bar region ? In logic I can make a cycle and play several takes, every take creates a new track and will be muted, so that I can paly and play and play and listen to the takes after wards

Hmmm... with audio this works fine with Loop Record. Just set the region to loop, set DP to overdub record and start recording and it records a new "take" with each pass. I haven't tried this with MIDI, but perhaps it's different due to the nature of MIDI data and sometimes the desire of a user to keep adding data to the same take of a MIDI track (i.e. building a drum pattern, etc.)? If so, it might be good to suggest MOTU to create a check box in DP's preference like "Create new takes on MIDI cycle record."

[timriley]

What would you suggest to do if I want to play a f.e. a piano solo with a MIDI instrument in loop over a 8 bar region ? In logic I can make a cycle and play several takes, every take creates a new track and will be muted, so that I can paly and play and play and listen to the takes after wards

Hi..

No, unfortunately I dont think there is a way of doing exactly what you have described..

An alternative is to:
1. Set your memory loop start and end points and turn on overdub (as you would when loop recording audio).
2. Set up, lets say, 10 MIDI tracks and route them all to your MIDI instrument.
3. Mute all of the MIDI tracks.
4. Record arm Track one.
5. Press record and play your part.
6. Once you've completed your first take, press the down arrow on your computer keyboard. MIDI track 2 should now be record armed. You can do this without stopping!
7. Repeat this til you are done.
8. To audition each take just play enable the track you wish to hear!

You could perhaps set up a MIDI controller to change the record enabled track, as described in point 6, so you can work away from your computer!

With all due respect there is way simpler than that.
There is a key command for new take in the command window. It only work on record enabled tracks.
Choose the appropriate key you want for it,
Record your take, hit the button and your in another take...

Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees!

[Kubi]

I don't get the loop recording problem you guys have... DP works the same as logic in this regard

What would you suggest to do if I want to play a f.e. a piano solo with a MIDI instrument in loop over a 8 bar region ? In logic I can make a cycle and play several takes, every take creates a new track and will be muted, so that I can paly and play and play and listen to the takes after wards

Hmmm... with audio this works fine with Loop Record. Just set the region to loop, set DP to overdub record and start recording and it records a new "take" with each pass. I haven't tried this with MIDI, but perhaps it's different due to the nature of MIDI data and sometimes the desire of a user to keep adding data to the same take of a MIDI track (i.e. building a drum pattern, etc.)? If so, it might be good to suggest MOTU to create a check box in DP's preference like "Create new takes on MIDI cycle record."

Yep, MIDI always either layers the new repeat over the existing one (if you enable overdub) or else erases the old take as it passes over it (if you don't enable overdub record mode.) I agree with you it would be nice to have the audio-equivalent of creating new takes [edited here, of course James, I meant takes, not tracks, uh, sorry....] on each pass as an additional option.

I also agree that the option of having MIDI treated as objects in addition to as events in a time line (much like DP treats audio) would be great.