Tiger

[waxman]

I just purchased Tiger... It will be here by the end of the month... Can anyone say suicide???

Has anyone heard of any beta testing with DP 4.52 and Tiger?

waxman

[mastermix]

Did you try a search?

Kris..

[Siryne]

I just ordered the new kitty in town too (Tiger). I don't know if i'll install it untill MOTU ok's it and we get some reports in but I just couldn't resist living on the bleeding edge.
Peace!

[thracks]

I just saw this post on the motu-mac yahoo mailing list.

So far with Tiger (not the final version, but close) Live 4 and GB
worked fine but DP crashed on play, even with built in audio. So
we'll see what happens in a few days.

Take it with a grain of salt, I don't know the poster. There is still work to be done on both ends, Apple and MOTU.

[Timeline]

Does Tiger come with iLife or is that another buy???
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I thought I would port this over from the other thread so it could die.

Good reply from Mastermix:
posted April 15, 2005 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Timeline:
I admit I'm not sure how we would benifit with 64bit.
Could someone explain how this would benifit us with DP as currently written and if written in 64 bit?
Thanks...
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Reply Mastermix
1. DP for Tiger and other audio apps will require 64-bit audio and MIDI drivers to take full advantage of the system.

2. The Tiger/G5 environment provides the ability to access more physical memory (RAM) and more internal CPU registers.

The current Panther/G4 (G5 32 bit emulation)) 32-bit environment has a theoritical RAM ceiling of 2 32 bytes of RAM, or 4 gigabytes. The 64-bit Tiger/G5 system is 2 64 for virtual memory...and in the Terabytes range for RAM.

So..a 64-bit DP 5.0(?) will allow musicians to store more song data in RAM..rather than streaming to disk. Imagine storing all your sampler libararies (GTO for example) in memory! Truly incredible by today's standards...Your DAW will run much faster with your sample libraries loaded. Even loops will perform drastically better.

3. Also, because of the increased number of registers (e.g FPU..or Floating Point Units), there will be drastic performance gains. You need to understand how data is stored and retrieved from a CPU. Tiger's 64-bit architecture will conceptualy keep data access between CPU and memory much closer..ensuring increased program speed...Registers are special types of memory that are located close to the CPU. The 'closer' the distance, the faster the program execution speed. Tiger has embedded tools that allows programmers to close the distance between CPU and memory (RAM). When data cannot be found in a register, it must make the extra trip to go fetch it in RAM...resulting in slowdowns. Although system caches exist in modern 32 bit systems like Panther to offset this problem to some degree, they are expensive kludges...because if the cache cannot retrieve the data, this results in a "cache miss"...and although some optimized programs can use special instructions to fetch the the "missed" data, there is a penalty caused by more CPU cycle burns...and a general program performance penalty.

Essentially, a program with more registers and cache will have less misses..thus boosting performance...this is how DSP code can benefit...but that's another rambling

Kris...

<small>[ April 16, 2005, 08:00 AM: Message edited by: Timeline ]</small>

[thracks]

Originally posted by Timeline:
Does Tiger come with iLife or is that another buy???

Another buy. iLife is bundled with hardware (iMac, G5, etc.)

[Jaysplace101]

What's going to happen when they run out of cats by which to name their successive OS's?

Hmmmmmmm.....

jayman

[wonder]

..introducing MAC OSXII...Duck Billed Platypus...

[motumacman]

dp will need an update for it to run in panther not mention a new MIDI driver........ so beware

[motumacman]

excuse the type i meant to type TIGER.... lol

[Gibble]

I had a chance to load DP onto an apple developers computer who has a near Gold Master of Tiger. (not sure what the build number was but he assured me that it was very close to the build that went to the presses). At any rate we loaded DP onto his machine (G4 1.42ghz, I think). The end result was....(trumpet sounds please)....no problems !! We loaded a couple of plugins in and ran a quick test with a couple of audio tracks and a MIDI track, also no problems. Obviously this was not a test that took the system to its maximum but it seemed to work well. He also checked the (system logs ?) and said that there wasn't anything in the logs that indicated that DP was having any issues.
So maybe the Tiger build will be a stable base for DP.

Cheers

[motumacman]

funny i did the same thing and it crashed...? hmmm ill try again on a fresh image...

[Timeline]

Hey Waxman...

Let's put together another LA MOTU USERS meeting after Tiger is out for a few weeks.

Could help us all.

Gary

[PaulyD]

Has anyone heard anything from MOTU regarding their interfaces and Tiger compatibility? Like PCI-324, PCI-424, etc.? I'm surprised they don't have a Tiger compatibility statement on their web site yet.

Paul

[motumacman]

i spoke to them and they said check back after tiger has been released... go figure