cubase sx over DP?

[mgmediaworks]

what can you do with DP that you cant with Cubase sx..Bottom line i was going to go back to MAc. going to buy a new dual 2.0 since the price went down.... have tons of apps for Panther not tiger cause some of the stuff is not ready yet.. so that was my issue Num. 1 since the G5 would come with Tiger installed.. Now we have this Intel crap thing going on..!!! why bother get a G5 now if it's going to change again..!! Truth is that my P4 which I built for $550.00 kicks major ass.. yeah I have all motu hardware. yeah I own a slow titanium G4 400mhz. just not powerful enough for me to attempt to do anything with my clients... but the truth is eventhough I love DP and hated Cubase SX at first simply because I'm a faithful user of DP since the day of the mac se,I actually have learned to like Cubase SX especially how they set up the Virtual Instruments (no auxilary track set up).. just a stack of all your virtual instruments that you assign to MIDI tracks.... since I have not used DP since DP3.. what am i missing? please tell me

[Timeline]

You can turn off automation on effects.

You can extend files easily with merge.

You get the outstanding MW series effects that blow away Nuendo and SX built in crap eqs.

You get a community of great, friendly users who are more than helpful to anyone on this forum instead of a bunch of stuck up AH's that won't even help you with a problem unless it's related to Video •••• or member status.

I have posted 5 questions and been answered once. What kind of service it that for $1800- bucks???

I could go on but I recently found DP4.51 to be a proven winner over N3 for the reasons I mention and many more.

I must add this:

Love you guys here on Unicornation!!!

<small>[ June 23, 2005, 09:29 PM: Message edited by: Timeline ]</small>

[sdfalk]

You can turn off automation on effects.

You can extend files easily with merge.

You get the outstanding MW series effects that blow away Nuendo and SX built in crap eqs.

You get a community of great, friendly users who are more than helpful to anyone on this forum instead of a bunch of stuck up AH's that won't even help you with a problem unless it's related to Video •••• or member status.

I have posted 5 questions and been answered once. What kind of service it that for $1800- bucks???

I could go on but I recently found DP4.51 to be a proven winner over N3 for the reasons I mention and many more.

I must add this:

Love you guys here on Unicornation!!!

Damn..
buy this man a drink.

I might add Polar is another (I seriously dig Polar)
Multi bounce
Chunks windows
Undo History is very cool (works for me)
The search function in DP (very useful)
I really like how dp uses multiple interfaces..
very easy to setup...
Unicornation.. One of the most important undocumented
features of DP..should be in the manual.
Full of very intelligent, wise people who I'm certainly
greatful to learn from.
I know there's more but must work now...

Sorry to hear about your problems with Nuendo TimeLine.
I hope you're getting something useful out of it any way.

[lordtoranaga]

MOTU is pretty much the last independent mac only audio software developer(for the major players)

that is reason enough for me to support them, plus the software is great.

[Tim]

Originally posted by Timeline:


You get a community of great, friendly users who are more than helpful to anyone on this forum ..........

Priceless!

<small>[ June 23, 2005, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: Tim ]</small>

[Timeline]

Thanks for the addins SD.

[emulatorloo]

Originally posted by mgmediaworks:
Now we have this Intel crap thing going on..!!! why bother get a G5 now if it's going to change again..!!

Technology is a moving target.

If you are waiting for the Latest Mac, you will always be waiting.

Because Apple puts out new Macs several times a year.

As for intel macs, we are a year away.

My prediction is that the first intel based Macs will be intel Mac Mini, Intel PowerBook, Intel Imac, or variations there of. In other words, consumer machines.

Here is a site that tracks deals on G5's:

http://www.lowendmac.com/ppc/g5deals.html

Or you could bump up your old G4 with a single processor upgrade while you wait:

http://eshop.macsales.com/Specials/MailList.cfm

[Big Red]

The drum editor in DP kicks Cubase's butt. I'm still new to DP and often still work in SX because I know it so much better. There are some great AU's that you can't really run in Cubase without getting really creative and spending some money.

I'm having real difficulty adapting to the DP workflow, to be honest, so maybe I'm not the guy to ask.

[Gerk]

If you've ever had dealing with both companies tech support DP is HANDS DOWN miles above the competition here.

I was a long time Nuendo user and had so many trouble tickets open in their system they knew me by name. Also, none of my trouble tickets got resolved through 3 major software version updates, although they promised they would, and in the end they completely dropped the support for the hardware I was using (Yamaha DSP Factory cards) instead of actually delivering the completed support they promised users for years.

DP is a clean, mac only code base, Steinberg's code has been kicked through the trenches several times and back across both platforms.

Lastly, on updated DP makes good progress and introduces useful features (usually), Cubase introduces fixes (that translate to more bugs more often than not), and rarely introduce valuable features IMHO. I've lived on both sides of the camp and my $$ are with DP all the way.

When things aren't working as they are supposed to be and you have a client walking in the door within an hour it's nice to know you can phone someone who might actually be able to help you get your setup back up to normal. This is an experience I _never_ had with Steinberg over a 5 year run, ever.

[Percy the Burp King]

As a former cubase user, I would say that DP's audio editting features, the mixer and the supplied plugs ( each with a generous amount of presets) are better than what is offer in cubase.

As for what sequencer A can do versus sequencer B,...it really comes down to personal preference: work flow, and type of music created. As a long-time x-user of cubase, I can say that cubase has excellent scoring capabilities, and in some ways has an easier, more intuitive work flow.

Motu is much more accessible and provides better support than does Steinberg, in my opinion.

It's interesting that the Pinnacle-owned Steinberg ( and soon to be Yamaha-owned Steinberg) is not as friendly to long-time users (who started back in the days when Karl Steinberg owned the company). Their "Buy our SX upgrade by 7-31-04 or pay full price after that date" was The final nail in the coffin for me.

Motu still offers DP v3.x. Various other makers of world class audio (ProTools) and graphics (Adobe) programs still offer drivers, updates, etc for earlier versions of their products. This reflects how a company values and understands it user base. There is a wisdom of keeping users in the fold whether they have the lastest and greatest, or a reliable legacy system.

The decision is really up to you.
Peace

[Timeline]

Very concise Flash.

I would add after i got Nuendo and installed I OMF'd a mix from DP I was working on and tried to duplicate it in N3.

First problem I had was the fact that when you audition an eq or effect, if you had left the write automation on, it would write the automation in on play. With DP it's a simple pref you can turn off and not worry about it again.

Second was the EQ they have that is built in as an major part of the program instead of a plug. This eq lacks any character at all and the top end lacks sizzle or HF tone to me.

I went to the extent of buying Hydratone eq and installing it because of the problem which helped but didn't fix the applications sound I found.

It seems something in the audio engine was just not as crisp.

I complained and asked if there was anyway a difference could exist reading SDII files or playing through MOTU HD192/424 card and no one answered.

When I finally went back and listened to the mix in DP I was
plain shocked. The mix was brighter, more open and alive.

I still don't know why and no one has explained it.

From time to time I go back to N3 and try again but I'm setback by the automation on effects thing I just can't get used to.

My setups in DP always turn this off in prefs as my normal routine.

One thing I liked abut N3 was the fader size and VU's on the fader. Much better than DP but that still doesn't make me prefer N3 with everything else you have to do and the steps you have to take to get things done.

One other is they include noise/restoration plugs that I fund very useful on pops and clicks. I guess it comes down to paying $1800 for noise control in the end so yes I at least find that useful.

When I called Nuendo US I get this very nice guy named Brad that has no clue and has to ask someone else everything if the question is too deep but at least you can get through to them and they have a cue on the phone line and no busy signals ever
for what good that does.

[midiw]

I love both apps.

I do wish DP would allow me to increase the "height" of one or more tracks. The track height in DP is so puny that it's almost impossible to see. I have to bounce back in forth in my monitors resolution size.

I also like the way Cubase allows you to "folder" a set of tracks.

DP still needs to improve QuickScribe to be equal or better than SX.

[blue]

Originally posted by midiw:
I love both apps.

I do wish DP would allow me to increase the "height" of one or more tracks. The track height in DP is so puny that it's almost impossible to see. I have to bounce back in forth in my monitors resolution size.

I also like the way Cubase allows you to "folder" a set of tracks.

I'm a long time user of DP and have always loved it, but adding vertical track zoom and folder tracks would add not only to DP's already great feature list, it would, I believe, expand its user base as well. I've tried converting Cubase/Logic/Nuendo users over to DP and, to a man, they bring up these two things first. After using all three of these sequencers in their studios, I started to agree with them.

I know the function of the tracks window is to provide an overview of the project, but I feel I need something between what the tracks and sequencer windows provide. The sequencer window just seems a bit unwieldy at times.

[Timeline]

You know you can use the hand on any track and vertically open it up right? I call it " the hand job" hehe.

[Tritonemusic]

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