Is Trilogy History? Who's to blame?

[NealF]

Not familiar with RAX. Is that another pluggin? If so, I'd rather wait for the upgrade - assuming it's coming.

[monkey man]

Here's the link, Neal:
http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/rax/

From Rax's new home (used to be at plasq.com):

What Is Rax?
Rax is streamlined, intuitive virtual rack software for Mac OS X. It enables performing musicians to easily organize and control their virtual rack of Audio Units.

Rax Is Back!
We acquired Rax from plasq in September of 2007. As one of the few, pure Cocoa audio applications developed at the time, Rax was a major inspiration for us in creating Audiofile Engineering. We're absolutely thrilled to now have it as part of our catalogue. (Stay tuned for future announcements about Rax 3.)

Keeping It Organized...
An intuitive and familiar interface now allows you to organize your racks into songs, and your songs into sets. Version 2.0 of Rax adds a new model for building and organizing setlists, with Remote control via MIDI and the Apple Remote further streamlining this workflow.

This setlist feature, in combination with OnStage, allows the performer to easily step through songs remotely, at a glance. Enter the new OnStage window and you can step through the set in a performance with no squinting, and no other visual distractions from other apps.

Universally Cool...
Rax is now a Universal Binary and is designed to take advantage of the computational power in the new Core Duo based laptops. With two cores working independently on visuals and audio, you could say MacBooks were made with Rax in mind.

[supersonic]

As I mentioned already, you need to run it in rosetta mode without the wrappers which will give you a much better performance than the wrappers themselves.
I can pile quite a few of the Spectrasonics non intel plug-ins through RAX.

[NealF]

Looks very cool. Thanks.

[miditime]

I'm in the same boat Neal and you CAN get it to work. Here's how:

Replace the MAS AudioUnit Support Bundle from version 1.7.0. to 1.6.1 (the one that installs with DP5). Hard Drive/Library/Audio/Plug-ins/MAS

You may need to reinstall DP5 to get that file. You do lose the ability to pre-render VI's.

It's working for me. Spectrasonics is not dropping Trilogy BTW. They will come out with a new version with their own sound engine (STEAM) like Atmosphere to Omnisphere.

When?

We can only wait for THAT answer.......................................

That works but brings in a host of other problems - i.e. you'll notice your MIDI volume pedal won't work anymore with Omnisphere and some of the MOTU instrument plug-ins i.e.MachFive 2 etc. Tech at MOTU said he was glad I them aware of it. Had the same problem with the East West Play (Plat Orch) plug-in before they fixed it with a recent update. It seems like a simple fix for Spectrasonics - you can see the VI is getting MIDI. RMX still works fine in 5. How can the relationship between them and the developers of the player have gotten so bad that they can't develop a patch for Trilogy, etc. And on the other hand, why should they need one when some of the MOTU plug ins have the same problems. To me it seems that the problem lies in sharing system files between DP5 & 6. I gave up trying to use Trilogy for much, after I noticed the East West Ministry Of Rock library had some nice enough bass instruments. (No upright though.) Hopefully just temporary - I'm sure Eric P. will have things in order this NAMM. A bit of money to be made there I suppose. Otherwise, I guess I'll be putting my Trilogy instrument out with my DX-7, and Oberheim DMX.

[miditime]

Well - I tried the RAX demo and it crashed in the first 5 minutes.
So, I downloaded Kore 2. Trilogy & Atmosphere and RMX work great in DP6 - but the MIDI volume still doesn't work in Omnisphere in DP6.

Anyhow, I bought it w/ the controller. (Very cool controller)

Imagine your virtual instruments working again - wow, what a concept. Can't wait for MOTU to get it together. Even if they did DP7 is sure to have the same bugs as 6. (And I won't mind.)

[monkey man]

Imagine your virtual instruments working again - wow, what a concept.

Indeed! As you might know, I've chosen to avoid them altogether, such has been my sad history of gear trouble's combined disincentive with the vaporous, seemingly voodoo-like shenanigans that from where I sit seem to characterise the art of getting these new-fangled and apparently-rushed-to-market doobywhackies to play ball. LOL

Can't wait for MOTU to get it together. Even if they did DP7 is sure to have the same bugs as 6. (And I won't mind.)

Ha! Same here! At least I'll only have to deal with one company though, as it's MOTU and Mac all the way for the Monkster. LOL

PS: When I said one company, I meant Mac of course. I don't deal with MOTU, I just let them do their thing as I trust their operating/thinking principles. LOL!

[NealF]

Here's a new problem.

If you need to open an old file that has Trilogy enabled, all you'll get is the beach ball and a crash. So how do you get that old file open?
So many problems, so little time.

[Armageddon]

I gave up trying to use Trilogy for much, after I noticed the East West Ministry Of Rock library had some nice enough bass instruments. (No upright though.) Hopefully just temporary - I'm sure Eric P. will have things in order this NAMM. A bit of money to be made there I suppose. Otherwise, I guess I'll be putting my Trilogy instrument out with my DX-7, and Oberheim DMX.

MOR's basses are great, and unlike their guitar patches, they're consistent from instrument to instrument, so if you change your mind about using a Fender Jazz bass and decide to use a Kubicki bass instead, you don't have to reprogram your bass track to reflect the decision. The only problem I have with the bass sounds is that you're pretty much tied to the two amps they were recorded through, without a DI version of the sound for an option to put it through your own bass amp software, like IK's Ampeg.

[daveyboy]

Here's a new problem.

If you need to open an old file that has Trilogy enabled, all you'll get is the beach ball and a crash. So how do you get that old file open?
So many problems, so little time.

You have to run DP in "MIDI only" mode and then disable or delete the old Trilogy. I've had to do this with supposed working VIs in DP 6X when things won't open (which happens far too often).

[NealF]

So you open a new file first. Then change to MIDI only. And then open the file with Trilogy?

Fun.

[NealF]

Does anybody know if Trilogy works with DP7?
I'll either have to upgrade (if it does) or wait for the New Improved Trilogy.

[mikeka]

I'm shocked but it's working here in DP7. In DP6 I had instability and lots of clicks.
Don't forget Trillian is scheduled for release in a couple of weeks .... FREE if you're
an Intel Mac Trilogy owner (as I am ...whoo hoo!)

[NealF]

Well, that's good news. I'll probably update to DP7. I'm not on an intel mac yet so if Tillian is only free for those I'll miss that one. Oh well...