As discussed in a previous thread, I've been experiencing a problem of audio drop-outs and high-pitched squeals being produced by my Ultralite-mk3 whenever I try to use it in Windows Vista.
To illustrate the issue, I've uploaded a 5MB audio clip to Rapidshare at http://rapidshare.com/files/160091088/u ... s.zip.html.
This is a brief snippet of the track 'Modular mix' from Air's Premiers Symptomes album being played back via Windows Media Player 11 on a Windows Vista SP1 desktop system with an Intel Core2 Duo E6600 processor and 4GB RAM. The file is in 16-bit WAV format. It's been compressed to a 3MB file for downloading purposes.
As you'll hear, the track is repeatedly interrupted by drop-outs and clicks. What doesn't really come out in the recording are the high-pitched noises that usually follow immediately after a drop-out. This happens when using any of my audio applications and has been reproduced on Ableton Live 7, Sony Sound Forge 9 and Audacity 1.2.6.
The issue does not appear to afflict my Windows XP SP3 system on the same computer, only the Vista one.
Audio clip of Ultralite-mk3 drop-out issue
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Audio clip of Ultralite-mk3 drop-out issue
Ableton Live 7, Sampler, Session Drums; NI Kontakt 3; MusicLab RealGuitar 2, RealStrat; Sony Sound Forge 9.
Red Submarine desktop: Intel E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM; ATI Radeon X1050; MS Windows XP and Vista dual-boot; Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII; Alesis Fusion 6HD, ControlPad; Roland Fantom G6; Edirol PCR-500; Lexicon MX200; Samson C-com16, C-control, Resolv 50a.
Samsung R70 laptop: Intel T7100 @ 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM; NVIDIA NB8M-GS; MS Windows Vista; Edirol UA-1EX; Korg nanoKEY, nanoKONTROL.
Red Submarine desktop: Intel E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM; ATI Radeon X1050; MS Windows XP and Vista dual-boot; Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII; Alesis Fusion 6HD, ControlPad; Roland Fantom G6; Edirol PCR-500; Lexicon MX200; Samson C-com16, C-control, Resolv 50a.
Samsung R70 laptop: Intel T7100 @ 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM; NVIDIA NB8M-GS; MS Windows Vista; Edirol UA-1EX; Korg nanoKEY, nanoKONTROL.
- TheRealRoach
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Re: Audio clip of Ultralite-mk3 drop-out issue
Just out of curiosity, why don't you just use the XP SP3 OS to run your audio stuff instead of Vista? Vista is still a fairly new OS and there are still a lot of differing reviews and tests performed on the platform... many suggesting that it is not as efficient as XP.
Here's a post I found on a Vista forum:
"Vista's firewire implementation is the pits. I think TI spec controllers basically didn't work at all even though the cards were recognized (maybe it was the other spec). MS recently released a hotfix that remedied some of the problems, but the controllers were then only working up to 100mbps and not 400 even with registry settings set to 400. Getting 12MB/s to an external hard disk instead of 48MB is pretty ghetto."
Sound familiar? This weak 100 mbps FW bus speed limitation is the EXACT thing that happened with the release of Windows XP SP2 .... 4.5 years ago.
If you have ever watched a television show that is being broadcast by digital cable you will understand exactly what is happening. Lots of people watching digi. cable at the same time = audio drop-outs, and occasionally blotchy/blocky video reception.
Read this too:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=93143
Here's a post I found on a Vista forum:
"Vista's firewire implementation is the pits. I think TI spec controllers basically didn't work at all even though the cards were recognized (maybe it was the other spec). MS recently released a hotfix that remedied some of the problems, but the controllers were then only working up to 100mbps and not 400 even with registry settings set to 400. Getting 12MB/s to an external hard disk instead of 48MB is pretty ghetto."
Sound familiar? This weak 100 mbps FW bus speed limitation is the EXACT thing that happened with the release of Windows XP SP2 .... 4.5 years ago.
If you have ever watched a television show that is being broadcast by digital cable you will understand exactly what is happening. Lots of people watching digi. cable at the same time = audio drop-outs, and occasionally blotchy/blocky video reception.
Read this too:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=93143
Mike Rocha
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Re: Audio clip of Ultralite-mk3 drop-out issue
Because I like using Vista. Because MOTU advertised the Ultralite-mk3 as compatible with Vista. Because every other audio interface I own or have owned previously works with Vista (Edirol UA-25. FA-101 and UA-1EX, Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII). Because it's there.
Ableton Live 7, Sampler, Session Drums; NI Kontakt 3; MusicLab RealGuitar 2, RealStrat; Sony Sound Forge 9.
Red Submarine desktop: Intel E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM; ATI Radeon X1050; MS Windows XP and Vista dual-boot; Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII; Alesis Fusion 6HD, ControlPad; Roland Fantom G6; Edirol PCR-500; Lexicon MX200; Samson C-com16, C-control, Resolv 50a.
Samsung R70 laptop: Intel T7100 @ 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM; NVIDIA NB8M-GS; MS Windows Vista; Edirol UA-1EX; Korg nanoKEY, nanoKONTROL.
Red Submarine desktop: Intel E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM; ATI Radeon X1050; MS Windows XP and Vista dual-boot; Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII; Alesis Fusion 6HD, ControlPad; Roland Fantom G6; Edirol PCR-500; Lexicon MX200; Samson C-com16, C-control, Resolv 50a.
Samsung R70 laptop: Intel T7100 @ 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM; NVIDIA NB8M-GS; MS Windows Vista; Edirol UA-1EX; Korg nanoKEY, nanoKONTROL.
Re: Audio clip of Ultralite-mk3 drop-out issue
lol
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- TheRealRoach
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Re: Audio clip of Ultralite-mk3 drop-out issue
Trust me... I feel your pain. Did you follow the link and install the recommended vista patch to address the firewire issue?comradec wrote:Because I like using Vista. Because MOTU advertised the Ultralite-mk3 as compatible with Vista. Because every other audio interface I own or have owned previously works with Vista (Edirol UA-25. FA-101 and UA-1EX, Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII). Because it's there.
I do firmly believe that this is a vista issue.... just as the pops/clicks/squeals for some users back in XP was a windows issue. I would do more google searches on vista firewire bandwidth issues. This, of course, doesn't excuse motu's blind eye and - in your case - false advertising with regards to the compatibility though.
I'm willing to bet that the previous interfaces that you listed had a much lower strain on the firewire bus as they are simpler units, which is why they operated ok, even at what I'm guessing to be 100mbps rate. The ultralite is pretty feature packed and likely requires a few more lanes on the firewire highway, thus pushing it over what limitation the vista FW drivers are inflicting.
reeper, any ideas?
Mike Rocha
http://www.mikerocha.ca
Custom ADK, Quad 3.0ghz, 4gig ram, Win7 64-bit, Motu 3.6.7.3 x64 drivers
Macbook Pro 13" touchbar, High Sierra, 73220 drivers
Motu 896 x 4
http://www.mikerocha.ca
Custom ADK, Quad 3.0ghz, 4gig ram, Win7 64-bit, Motu 3.6.7.3 x64 drivers
Macbook Pro 13" touchbar, High Sierra, 73220 drivers
Motu 896 x 4
Re: Audio clip of Ultralite-mk3 drop-out issue
I'm aware of the patch intended to fix a FireWire issue that arose from Windows XP's SP2, but not of one specific to Vista.TheRealRoach wrote:Trust me... I feel your pain. Did you follow the link and install the recommended vista patch to address the firewire issue?
Ableton Live 7, Sampler, Session Drums; NI Kontakt 3; MusicLab RealGuitar 2, RealStrat; Sony Sound Forge 9.
Red Submarine desktop: Intel E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM; ATI Radeon X1050; MS Windows XP and Vista dual-boot; Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII; Alesis Fusion 6HD, ControlPad; Roland Fantom G6; Edirol PCR-500; Lexicon MX200; Samson C-com16, C-control, Resolv 50a.
Samsung R70 laptop: Intel T7100 @ 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM; NVIDIA NB8M-GS; MS Windows Vista; Edirol UA-1EX; Korg nanoKEY, nanoKONTROL.
Red Submarine desktop: Intel E6600 @ 2.4GHz, 4GB RAM; ATI Radeon X1050; MS Windows XP and Vista dual-boot; Phonic Helix Board 12 FireWire MkII; Alesis Fusion 6HD, ControlPad; Roland Fantom G6; Edirol PCR-500; Lexicon MX200; Samson C-com16, C-control, Resolv 50a.
Samsung R70 laptop: Intel T7100 @ 1.8GHz, 2GB RAM; NVIDIA NB8M-GS; MS Windows Vista; Edirol UA-1EX; Korg nanoKEY, nanoKONTROL.