Anyone using DP6 on a PPC G5?

[RhythmRmixd]

Just wondering how it performs vs. 5.13. Preferably on Tiger.

Thx

[David Polich]

I'm still on 5.13, but I believe there is an issue with Native Instruments VI's
and DP 6.01 running on PPC under Leopard. As in, no joy.

IMO you're better off to stick with Tiger if you're on PPC, if you're on
Leopard and PPC, then maybe you should stay with 5.13.

At this point many VI and plug-in developers have not yet upgraded
their products to run in DP 6.

[James Steele]

I'm still on 5.13, but I believe there is an issue with Native Instruments VI's
and DP 6.01 running on PPC under Leopard. As in, no joy.

IMO you're better off to stick with Tiger if you're on PPC, if you're on
Leopard and PPC, then maybe you should stay with 5.13.

At this point many VI and plug-in developers have not yet upgraded
their products to run in DP 6.

Agreed. See my thread posted today about throwing in the towel on the whole DP6, PPC, Leopard thing. It's not worth the hassle. I'm downgrading today and it should be a royal PITA, but then I will have a lot of the stuff I lost back. This G5 will never again go to Leopard... unless I make another partition for some reason, but I can live without it.

On top of it, I can have "Classic" back which isn't too bad as I had some old stuff in PageMaker that I liked being able to use and I remember not reading anything about Leopard killing Classic when I installed it. I was bummed to find I was unable to open all my PageMaker stuff.

[Shooshie]

Agreed. See my thread posted today about throwing in the towel on the whole DP6, PPC, Leopard thing. It's not worth the hassle. I'm downgrading today and it should be a royal PITA, but then I will have a lot of the stuff I lost back. This G5 will never again go to Leopard... unless I make another partition for some reason, but I can live without it.

On top of it, I can have "Classic" back which isn't too bad as I had some old stuff in PageMaker that I liked being able to use and I remember not reading anything about Leopard killing Classic when I installed it. I was bummed to find I was unable to open all my PageMaker stuff.

I've left my G4 Powerbook in Tiger, mainly for that reason. Of course, I'm not even sure a G4 Powerbook will RUN Leopard. But I'm not going to try. That little computer has evolved to the highest form it shall ever reach. Tiger is a great OS, and I don't want to lose my Classic apps. I was just poking around in Classic the other day, and realized that I have left behind some of my best writing which I used to store in a little utility called Idea Keeper, which was the Swiss Army Knife of organizers. It would do anything, and you could darn-near do page layout in it, with outlining, hypertext links, and all other manner of conveniences. It never made the jump to OSX, which was a great loss. And that's just one story of dozens. Fortunately, I've found a game emulator that will play some of my old classic games in OSX -- better than ever. But for those things that never made the cut, I'll have that Powerbook until it croaks. Then I've still got my old G4 dual 1GHz machine sitting down here collecting dust. It can still serve in that capacity if I need it.

But on my MacPro I have no choice but to move on. Classic isn't an option here. Leopard runs great, and DP6 seems to run its best in Leopard. No problems here. But you guys who have been having trouble are victims, in my book, of a system that just wants to sell you more computers. I mean, I was using a G4 from 2002, so I was ready for a Mac Pro. But if you're on a G5 multi-processor and haven't gotten your full cycle out of it, it's ridiculous for you to jump to an Intel just to use Leopard.

Shoosh

[James Steele]

But if you're on a G5 multi-processor and haven't gotten your full cycle out of it, it's ridiculous for you to jump to an Intel just to use Leopard.

Agreed. Sadly, the rest of my Leopard experience was great. It's just a DP6 issue with some VI's etc. that forced the retreat for me.

[Frodo]

These are but the tips of the iceberg where Snow Leopard encroaches and threatens to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I kept a separate Tiger drive for a whole lot of reasons, many of which have already been mentioned here.

I haven't tired DP6.x in Tiger, so I can't speak to it working better or worse than it does in Leopard. I like the features of DP 6.01, but a number of plugins I need to use aren't working as well or at all. That's enough to bring production to a standstill, and the time it has taken to sort out workarounds has proven to be less productive and more of a waste than it does for me to just keep the bulk of my work in Tiger and 5.13, sorry to say.

From here on, I'll be lurking the DP6/PPC threads for more info about functionality. Dealing with the mound of plugin authorizations (should I make the change) will not be a lot of fun, butcha gotta do whatcha gotta do.

[RhythmRmixd]

Thanks for the posts everyone, much appreciated. I've had minimal, if any problems at all with my current config and have no problem running my PPC G5 with the Tiger/5.13 setup for as long as I have to. I guess as the old saying goes, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

[gaucho]

Made the upgrade a couple weeks ago with no problems. I'm only using MOTU plugins except for amplitube. I'm really liking 6.01 so far...


Box 1: G5 dual 1.8, Tiger, DP5, motu424, Kontakt 3
Box 2: Windows XP (32-bit) (Pentium 4, 320 GHz, 2G-RAM) running Gigastudio3 ONLY!
Box 3: Windows XP (64-bit) Core duo quad (q6600), 4gb ram (667 Micron) running various VI-s "in progress"
Connections: MIDI-Over-LAN, Gina-16s

[toodamnhip]

These are but the tips of the iceberg where Snow Leopard encroaches and threatens to throw out the baby with the bathwater. I kept a separate Tiger drive for a whole lot of reasons, many of which have already been mentioned here.

I haven't tired DP6.x in Tiger, so I can't speak to it working better or worse than it does in Leopard. I like the features of DP 6.01, but a number of plugins I need to use aren't working as well or at all. That's enough to bring production to a standstill, and the time it has taken to sort out workarounds has proven to be less productive and more of a waste than it does for me to just keep the bulk of my work in Tiger and 5.13, sorry to say.

From here on, I'll be lurking the DP6/PPC threads for more info about functionality. Dealing with the mound of plugin authorizations (should I make the change) will not be a lot of fun, butcha gotta do whatcha gotta do.

What are you running for a comp and OS and what vers. of DP?

[michkhol]

Unfortunately the DP6 AU plugins' problems are the DP6's problems alone. Neither Leopard nor any Leopard prefix (like Snow) will fix that. DP has its own AU host inside MAS so no one but MOTU is responsible for running plugins properly. Obviously it is not enough for MOTU to implement documented features to be a "good" AU host. Apple has never been too forthcoming with API documentation, so it seems like more undocumented features are implemented more compatible the AU host is. The downside is that you have to discover those features by trial and error.

"There is still hope". Technically it is possible to make the AU MAS bundle fully compatible regardless of the platform and operating system. The question is, will MOTU find it worth the trouble.

[David Polich]

I just had a conversation with Waxman the other day about how "tough" things are for us
these days compared to the old analog 24-track two-inch machine days. Compared to the
hoops we had to jump through then (editing with razor blades, patch bays, cleaning and aligning
tape machines, noise, syncing, three songs on a reel of tape, having to re-record a tune
entirely if it was 6 bpm too slow, etc.) today's "inconveniences" are nothing.

There's nothing wrong with just staying where you are with what you have, which is
plenty. Seriously, if your setup is working, there's no real reason to upgrade unless your
main Mac just goes up in flames. Having to freeze tracks to conserve CPU - no big deal.
A few minutes out of your time.

There is nothing really "wrong" with 5.13. I can't think of one issue that is truly
a deal-killer on 5.13. Nothing that would prevent one from creating and
recording music.

[bOing]

There is nothing really "wrong" with 5.13. I can't think of one issue that is truly
a deal-killer on 5.13. Nothing that would prevent one from creating and
recording music.

But what about the pull of evolution, and the economy?

I agree with you on everything. I used to own a 24trk commercial studio and although I was more "owner" than operator, I do know that it was a PITA from costs to maintenance, and people not respecting the space they were in. DP is definitely easier on the nerves, now that the native DAW technology is sort of in balance with my expectations.

[bOing]

There is nothing really "wrong" with 5.13. I can't think of one issue that is truly
a deal-killer on 5.13. Nothing that would prevent one from creating and
recording music.

But what about the pull of evolution, and the economy?

I agree with you on everything. I used to own a 24trk commercial studio and although I was more "owner" than operator, I do know that it was a PITA from costs to maintenance, and people not respecting the space they were in. DP is definitely easier on the nerves, now that the native DAW technology is sort of in balance with my expectations. Oh, and the fact that I'm no longer babysitting other musicians and working on my own stuff.

[Babz]

I'm using DP 6.01 on a G5 2x2 w/ Tiger (10.4.11) and it runs fine, but I haven't tried any super heavy-duty projects yet. I'm still experimenting and learning my way around. I does seem more crashy than 5.13 for me, even with on the few basic tests I've tried so far. Never had any crashes w/ 5.13. I've had 3 crashes with DP 6 so far. Save often. Keep DP 5 handy. FWIW, etc.

Babz

[MeisterEckhardt]

I just "upgraded" to a G5 dual 2.5Ghz and I am only using motu plugins with Tiger. I am using Machfive2 and MX4 and everything seems to be working great, though one day I noticed weird volume changes I didn't do. But I chalked that up as user error, not computer error. I used a bunch of plugins (vi's) one day just to see how far I could push the dual G5 chips, and it took a lot. I never did approach the limit, but I had like 8 VI's in the song. I was amazed, and then if I get that far into a song I would have no problems just freezing a few tracks to give the CPUs some bandwidth. The system seems really stable, I've got more sounds then I will ever use, and its a thrill to load a song and all the sounds are ready to go... no external gear has to load sounds from proprietary or scsi drives. Note though I am not doing this for a living, its a hobby really, and I haven't used DP 6 to its limit... I haven't played with automated mixing and all the other stuff it can do so I have a limited view of the big picture. Also note that all the installing I did was onto a dedicated partition for music-making. I didn't goop a bunch of games/video editing/other software onto this partition. I decided to keep it as clean as possible. I have a notebook G4 iBook to do all my graphic design, email, internet, photoshop, everything but music.

FWIW,
Meister