Hated DP4 till i did this....

[davebistolas]

Originally posted by Zobo:
I am becoming more and mor familiar with using Linux, which is basically a flavor of UNIX. I have to say that Apple did a pretty decnt work at screwing things that work well in UNIX.

My feeling is that Apple is trying to keep OS X as much of a close system as possible even though UNIX is essentially a wide open platform. BY doing so, Apple messed up things that should be a bit straight forward to Linux users. Just go to the terminal windows and type a few command lines.

I wish they made DP for Linux, I'd go for it without the slightest doubt.

I would too if they would release drivers for their hardware on linux as well.

By the way, Linux isn't Unix either. In fact, The proper name for the OS is GNU/Linux, where GNU recursively stands for "GNU's Not Unix".

MacOS is based on a variant of BSD. (FreeBSD I believe). It's not trying to be UNIX, which is a server OS. It's trying to be a UNIXish Desktop OS.

As a user of all four platforms (UNIX, Linux, Windows and MacOS) I'd say the Mac is still slickest.

MHO, anyway...

[zobomix]

Yes, apologies for the inaccurate info. Still a fairly beginner...

Hopefully MOTU will release Linux drivers.

(All your base are belong to us)

[Gibble]

Hmmm. I run a 1Ghz G4 (Powerbook) with 1G of Ram. DP 4.52 and Reason 2.5. Live or prerecorded vocals and a Yamaha keyboard feeding into DP 4.52

Aside from an initial configuration issue with Beat Detection in DP 4.52, which is now solved, I have had ZERO problems. System runs smooth and fast.

I don't know what amplidood's problem is.

[billf]

Originally posted by Socolov:
Man , this is bullsh*t .... Not you amplidood, I meant Apple.

If this is true , it looks like MOTU isn`t the
problem , but Apple is.
Looks like Apple only cares about the users
who buy the newest products .
Well they could go to h*ll

My $.02.....

The comment about Apple is third hand info, so I take with a grain of salt. Apple still sells a boatload of G4 machines, just not in the tower variety. So I would have to believe that someone in Apple is doing at least a cursory test on the PowerBooks, iBooks, and Mini that all run the G4 to make sure that the iLife stuff and Logic, FCP, and other apps will run. They would be playing with fire not to do so.

Now that doesn't mean that something isn't amiss with 10.3.8. I'm having big time problems with Dp4.52 on 10.3.8, especially CPU spikes and playback buffer overloads. Didn't have anything like that in DP 4.12. But I also upgraded from 10.3.7 to 10.3.8 around the same time I installed DP 4.52. So the problem MAY be 10.3.8, or it could be DP 4.52 and the Dynamic CPU stuff, or it could be both.

Since Logic, GB, FCP, Peak, and other apps run fine on my machine, I have to believe that there is a problem with DP 4.52 that hasn't been fully fleshed out yet (and I suspect the Dynamic CPU capability is buggy).

[Resonant Alien]

It wouldn't totally surprise me if Apple was not testing OSX on G4s anymore, but I'm more inclined to the "this is horseshit" category. I'm running DP 4.52 with OSx.3.8 on my G4 with no problems (knock wood). Something else must be going on in the system to have those kind of problems....

On the dual G4 being faster than a single G5, I actually asked Apple tech support this question before I bought my G4 in July 2003 and was told that the Dual 1.42G G4 would run faster than a single 1.8G G5. And Apple would have every reason to steer me to the G5, but they didn't!

It makes sense after all - why on Earth would a single 1.8G processor be able to work faster than two 1.42G processors? Answer: It can't - the dual 1.42G simply has more CPU clock cycles = it's faster.

The only place you might gain benefit on a single G5 is if your application acutally runs at 64 bit processing, which the G5 can do. But, alas, most of the software (DP included) does not (yet) run at 64 bit and cannot take advantage of this.

Now a dual G5 is a whole different ball game......but I think I'll wait for the G6 before I upgrade....especially since I apparently would not be able to use both my UAD and my PowerCore at the same time in a G5...

<small>[ March 18, 2005, 09:30 PM: Message edited by: Resonant Alien ]</small>

[al carmichael]

First, thanks for the tip regarding Onyx. I'm getting ready to check it out.

Second, I'm a technology laggard. I still run OSX 2.8 on my Dual 800 G4. I still have a copy of OS9 on my drive too, just to go back sometimes to DP 3 for some of the VST FX I bought but can't get for OSX yet. I run DP 4.5 and didn't jump into 4.52 and I won't.

Why? Why not upgrade to the cutting edge? Well, because I'm happy with the performance I have. Things are stable. I can use my old PCI card for my MOTU 2408, and I can use my UAD-1 card, as well as FM7, Battery, and BFD. I guess the programs and the OS all like each other and were made to work well together.

I know that time marches on and that eventually I will want to upgrade the computer and the OS as well as get newer programs that won't run on my current platform, but you know what? After years of upgrading and buying updates, searching the internet for solutions to conflicts and tech problems for each new piece of software, I'm just sick of it. I'm in a good productive place with what I have and I can do just about anything I want with what I have. So, until this G4 goes up in smoke, I'm content to stay in my pocket of comfort.

I don't mean to condemn anyone who needs to hold the cutting edge either. I know some people need every ounce of power they can buy and will use it all. So, if somebody finds a combination of operating system and software/hardware that works--good for you. The whole purpose of all this is to create great productions and make the technology as invisible and seamless as possible. Crashes and conflicts are a drag. Its all about what works for YOU. When you find a winner, I think it pays to stick with it.