MOTU's Trigger and Model12

[philbrown]

this guy iz a douche bag he doesn.t know what he is talkin about........

random latency? nope sorry doesnt exist

That's kind of uncalled for...I thought conleycd's reply was actually on the money.
What he's referring to is the fact that MIDI is not as accurate as audio, which is true. With any audio-to-MIDI trigger, you will still have to do editing of the MIDI data later. Sample start times and attack envelopes of triggered samples also have to be taken into account.

Anyway, the suggestion about using DP's pitch to MIDI conversion is another
good idea...

Err Agreed +1

MIDI is NOT exact science

I've got oscilloscope movies to prove it. External MIDI, not ITB.

As far as triggering: Think about what's happening - you're trying to determine EXACTLY when a drum hit occurs in time - but depending on threshold -how far does the signal need to rise and how fast to trigger a MIDI note? There are more variables here than MIDI itself if you think about what's actually happening to produce these triggers.

Creating a duplicate track (or aux send) of the trigger source - EQ'd and/or gated helps. E.g. - EQ away everything but the most prominent attack frequency of a snare track, THEN send that to the Trigger plug. Trigger can work pretty well, depending on the track mostly and of course the settings. I've seen it work on some rapid fire double kicks and was quite surprised.

Calling someone a douchebag certainly doesn't bring anything useful to the table.

Cheers
Phil

[carrythebanner]

Or just use DP's own pitch feature :)

+1 for this, it's utterly simple and works great most of the time.

[AudioDancer]

philbrown wrote:
"Calling someone a douchebag certainly doesn't bring anything useful to the table."

Thank You Phil!! I mean really...what type of person needs to come off so unfriendly AND incorrect as well?? (please don't answer that question)

[Tritonemusic]

this guy iz a douche bag he doesn.t know what he is talkin about........

random latency? nope sorry doesnt exist

That's kind of uncalled for...

He apparently likes saying "douche bag" a lot. Check out his other posts. This one took me by surprise:

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... ht=#247779

[bOing]

What page is douche bag on? I'm not seeing it in the manual.

[wylie1]

Creating a duplicate track (or aux send) of the trigger source - EQ'd and/or gated helps. E.g. - EQ away everything but the most prominent attack frequency of a snare track, THEN send that to the Trigger plug. Trigger can work pretty well, depending on the track mostly and of course the settings. I've seen it work on some rapid fire double kicks and was quite surprised.

Cheers
Phil

Exactly thats how I got trigger to work and it worked very well and acurate.
EQ first

[philbrown]

Creating a duplicate track (or aux send) of the trigger source - EQ'd and/or gated helps. E.g. - EQ away everything but the most prominent attack frequency of a snare track, THEN send that to the Trigger plug. Trigger can work pretty well, depending on the track mostly and of course the settings. I've seen it work on some rapid fire double kicks and was quite surprised.

Cheers
Phil

Exactly thats how I got trigger to work and it worked very well and acurate.
EQ first

One last tidbit. Sometimes this is a bit counter-intuitive in the fact that, say in the case of a kick drum, you may want a SOUND that consists more of the fundamental tone, but what may feed the Trigger plug-in the best might be the 7K (or whatever) "click" of the kick drum rather than a fundamental. Also gating out the bleed can make or break this. I prefer an expander rather than a gate to have more control. You're going for a Clean Little Blip that may not, and probably won't sound pretty.

I've never tried the other Pitch feature mentioned so can't comment on that method vs this one.

[conleycd]

this guy iz a douche bag he doesn.t know what he is talkin about........

random latency? nope sorry doesnt exist

Although I enjoy your name calling. Most everyone is aware that MIDI has about a 7-8ms delay from the time the MIDI note on is sent and the sound is played from a module or what have you. 1 ms (which is inconsistent in timing) appears as misaligned waveform.

CC

[James Steele]

this guy iz a douche bag he doesn.t know what he is talkin about........

random latency? nope sorry doesnt exist

Okay... enough is enough...

[James Steele]

philbrown wrote:
"Calling someone a douchebag certainly doesn't bring anything useful to the table."

Thank You Phil!! I mean really...what type of person needs to come off so unfriendly AND incorrect as well?? (please don't answer that question)

I don't know how that happens. Especially when said former member's email was at the fullsail.edu domain.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

I love a happy ending...

[David Polich]

this guy iz a douche bag he doesn.t know what he is talkin about........

random latency? nope sorry doesnt exist

Although I enjoy your name calling. Most everyone is aware that MIDI has about a 7-8ms delay from the time the MIDI note on is sent and the sound is played from a module or what have you. 1 ms (which is inconsistent in timing) appears as misaligned waveform.

CC

Exactly. It is useless to think MID would ever line up exactly with audio - it just doesn't work that way.

Personally, I've used DP's Trigger plug-in for years, ever since DP 3.11.
I've never had a bad experience with it, because I don't expect it to
do what it wasn't intended to do. It triggers MIDI notes from an audio input, but it can't know what it is you've set it up to trigger.

I look at it this way - even if the MIDI data resulting from using Trigger isn't spot on to the original audio, it can be edited and moved around, and in that sense I just treat it like a different take. Musicians never play the repeated takes exactly the same, down to sample-accurate matching. So I just approach it like, "well, this is what the original guy played, and this is what the Trigger played". Except that with the triggered part, I can go in and clean it up, align it and even remove what I think isn't appropriate (something you can't always get a drummer to do).

[AudioDancer]

I love a happy ending...

PS..what CAN you get a drummer to do??

Hey, thanks guys..OK..back on topic...right??

[philbrown]

philbrown wrote:
"Calling someone a douchebag certainly doesn't bring anything useful to the table."

Thank You Phil!! I mean really...what type of person needs to come off so unfriendly AND incorrect as well?? (please don't answer that question)

I don't know how that happens. Especially when said former member's email was at the fullsail.edu domain.

LOL
Thanks James for the fullsail disclosure.

[bOing]

I have just been offered a hefty sum to post on behalf of the former member.