ProVerb

[kinnylandrum]

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Well, when I first started requesting the Vintage Suite of plug-ins from MOTU in DP, I dubbed the convolution 'verb ConVerb. I thought it was hilarious at the time (think about it - you're conned into thinking the space is real, and there's the CONvolution thing).

Little did I know that MOTU would use the inverse nomenclature. LOL
So you see, it's all a joke to the Monkster every time I see the word, "ProVerb".

I knew you'd come up with something. You didn't let me down. That's the whole reason I come here, to get your little jokes and pearls of wisdom.

BTW wheever, I believe what comes up in the main window of ProVerb are just the raw IRs that are installed. I think this is so, because if you notice when you load a new IR, all the other parameters remain the same, nothing else changes.

[billf]

So you see, it's all a joke to the Monkster every time I see the word, "ProVerb".

That Vintage Suite is rolling out though, it seems, what with the arrival of the LA2A sim.

A little known fact: the original name for the new leveler was going to be ChimpsClassicComp.

[monkey man]

Ha! Thanks for the vote of convolence, guys. LOL

I've had to take the day off the forum for now, 'cause I've been working my way through the following threads and grabbing impulses from here:

http://guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum. ... c5941eacc6

You have to join the forum, but there's a heap here.
Guitar amps, cabs, acoustic guitar and mics so far, and I'm up to page 4 of 7.
Perusing and downloading...

Enjoy.

[billf]

Ha! Thanks for the vote of convolence, guys. LOL

I've had to take the day off the forum for now, 'cause I've been working my way through the following threads and grabbing impulses from here:

http://guitarampmodeling.com/viewforum. ... c5941eacc6

You have to join the forum, but there's a heap here.
Guitar amps, cabs, acoustic guitar and mics so far, and I'm up to page 4 of 7.
Perusing and downloading...

Enjoy.

Thanks for the link Nicky.

[monkey man]

No worries, Billy.
Downloading...... LOL

A source of confusion for me has been the apparent doubling up with the Beamsonic set, which I downloaded 4+ years ago.
Not looking forward to cross-checking them all - I've 68 folders so far, with one to go (the biggest; will take a few nights).

Good luck, cadet.

[monkey man]

A source of confusion for me has been the apparent doubling up with the Beamsonic set, which I downloaded 4+ years ago.

Of course, another source of confusion has been this double-posting syndrome - doublepostitis, I believe it's called. The symptom (there is only one) prevails. Let's hope the condition doesn't deteriorate into triplepostitis.

[monkey man]

Well, I've recommenced downloading my entire IR library, as it's probably easier than trying to selectively acquire replacements for the corrupted (UNIX executable) IRs alone.
Rebuilding the folders/categories etc. poses some questions though, and if I could get a head start here it'd be much appreciated.
So, with this in mind, I have a question or two:

1) How many folder layers deep is ProVerb able to read its IRs from?

2) Are we able to place docs, pics, empty "labeling folders" or even the original zipped files in the same folders (a convenience thing) without cluttering up preset browsing (IOW, are these non-audio files ignored?).

3) Can we specify a default setting by which ProVerb saves relevant presets/IRs to the project folder?
I ask this 'cause it seems to me that we'd otherwise have to avoid altering existing IR folder names or locations to ensure future compatibility.

4) Does ProVerb store preset data in the usual plug preset location (lib/audio/presets/digital performer)?

5) Is it possible to get DP to store said data along with the relevant IRs to the project folder by default?

6) What is the full range of formats it'll recognise? Will it see MP3s or SFIs, for instance?

Thank you in advance for any 'Cornie wisdom here.

Just bumping this question list from page 3 as I've not heard a peep out of any 'Cornie peeps yet.

Just bumping the bump as we're on page 5 now.

[jarok]

I've been downloading free IRs from links I found at Bigbluelounge.com.
ProVerb sounds as good as Altiverb with the right IRs. Right now I'm comparing a PCM90 IR against the hardware and I'm convinced.

Where are the IRs?

Thanks...

Hi

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/printview ... 58&start=0

jarok

[twistedtom]

Thanks for the IR's guys, maybe we should start a sticky on IR's.

[kassonica]

Thanks for the IR's guys, maybe we should start a sticky on IR's.

I 2nd that motion good sir.

[Phil O]

Thanks for the IR's guys, maybe we should start a sticky on IR's.

I've PM'd James making this request. Let's wait and see.

Phil

[jmmusic]

Hi, everyone.

Per Monkey Man, I'm joining this thread with a question I have about ProVerb. Also, my ProVerb observations thus far.

Best,

John

Pasting from my thread:

Simply creating appropriately named folders and dumping all of your organized, custom IRs into it (despite the manual's suggestion that you can) in either the specified "shared" IR location or the "user" IR location does not work... here. ProVerb does not see the files. Now, I can certainly create shared or user IRs from within ProVerb, but the issue I'm seeing with that is that when I go to the location specified by the manual...

for shared: Library/Application Support/MOTU/ProVerb/Impulse Responses/

or

for user: User/Library/Application Support/MOTU/ProVerb/Impulse Responses/

... these appear to be singular files where the IR data is bundled together, as opposed to folders that you can create a hierarchy, subfolder system. The files are accessible from the respective ProVerb folder, but it's a long, continuous list. And if you have a lot of IRs... Oye. Not unworkable, but certainly not streamlined.

Basically (to answer one of your questions), once you drag an IR audio file into the ProVerb window it automatically becomes part of the project (and is automatically saved into a "plug-in data" folder located within the actual project folder). From a pulldown in the plug-in, you can then add the imported IR into the "shared" folder (accessible by all users) and/or the "user" folder (accessible by only the logged-in user if you are setup for multiple user accounts on your computer) for use in any DP6 project.

One cool note, it seems that you can grab two de-interleaved mono files and drag them into a stereo instantiation of ProVerb. Wonder how/if that works for surround?

[monkey man]

Per Monkey Man, I'm joining this thread with a question I have about ProVerb.

Oh man, everybody's blaming the monkey for everything lately. LOL

Thank you for joining us, John. Did you try my suggestions regarding the folders? I haven't stumbled across your thread yet today, so if you've replied there don't worry; I'll find it.

On the L/R files thing, I tried the Altiverb demo around v4 a few years back, and it read two de-interleaved mono SDII files as stereo too. Unfortunately most of my IR collection was deemed UNIX executable about a year ago, and I've not been able to return the files to their previous status; they can't even be previewed. I tried a number of freeware apps that messed with the headers or whatever you call them, but alas, to no avail. I'm in the process of re-downloading the entire free "set" from the 'net again, although this time I think I'll convert any SDIIs to WAV in DP; surely this format will prove more universally compatible at this point and in the foreseeable future, and I'd like to think the corruption I experienced will be less likely to reoccur too. Bit of a bummer, as I spent 6 months downloading and a further 6 months on careful categorisation, conversion to SDII and denoising of all the IRs, driven only by the dream of owning Altiverb one day. Now that PV is here, I'm doing it all over again, but substituting the Altiverb variable with ProVerb.

I seem to be full of useless info today. Hope you were able to at least learn something by creating a folder or two and dragging in aliases as per our discussion. Good luck man.

PS: Now that I think of it, would AIFF be a better option? Can DP6 export as normal (and not broadcast) WAV? I chose WAV at this point because most on the 'net are already in that format, and the memory of converting all those IRs to SDII years ago still lingers a little too strongly for my liking. Anyone?

The accumulation of unanswered questions in this thread continues... great!

[Tonio]

Kind of a general question to convolution verbs, with Proverbs impulse response in mind.

I'm new to the idea of having +- capabilities of the length algo. Especially the - length.
Proverb has a resampling engine according to the manual. Thats cool, but the length knob (big one at that) does not have associated +- reading.

As an example for a snare track I tend to use a length/time of a verb that is appropriate for the tunes tempo. If I pull up preset for a small room, or a description to assume a short decay, the preset can be anywhere from 2 to 8 seconds long. If I pull the length knob to subract the length its still very long. i.e. I haven't found preset that will work for a 700 ms decay. I admit I haven't dug through all the presests. Sometimes it takes too much time , and I find its alot quicker to pull up 140 plate (UAD)with a snare preset.

I realize listening is ideal, am I missing something? It would so much quicker with a length readout.

T

[twistedtom]

I think it would be as you could zone in fast by math. There would have to be some kind of meta data telling the time of the IR in each IR to do this I would think.