DP at cutting edge

[twistedtom]

Phat bottomed girls?
I find some times everb helps add a bit of edge on some voices for rock.
If you get DP6 you also get Proverb and it sounds good and has lots of adjustments to get the sound the way you want. Yes a $600 reverb should sound good but what you get in DP is not bad. You may use presets now but in a short time you will tweak things to your liking so it is no big deal there.

[pcm]

IMHO eVerbis the worst sounding digital verb I have ever heard. I have a Digitech DSP 128 that is over 20 years old that sounds better than eVerb.
DGR

I was thinking exactly the same thing. And James is right, "metallic" and "ringy".

[monkey man]

...and this thread has exactly what to do with any cutting edge?

Your post cut through the vibe of the thread like a knife?

Thank you for not taking this the wrong way, Magilla; I've flung more than your fair share at you this past month. There's only one real big ape around here, and that's our gorilla boy. LOL

Hey, Soundmaster,
You get DP and play with it awhile and then post up a mix under a different name, and I'd venture to say that if the song is good, and you do a decent job mixing, most of these guys won't be able to tell you used eVerb or complain about the reverb at all. I've used it occasionally and it has worked for what I needed it for.
Good for you for voicing your preference for something that isn't popular, and for having a good attitude about it when people disagree with you -- sometimes very rudely and snidely.
All the best.

+1 to all that, wurliuchi, and especially for the sentiment. Soundmaster's attitude has been commendable; it's a rare combination on the 'net, IMHO, that of scathing and unpopular criticism sans belligerence.

Soundmaster, the point about sounds in isolation vs mixed with others is a valid one. I'd also recommend that whichever synths you end up with, you give programming a burl. After all, you'll be employing filter cutoff sweeps and other "shallow" processes anyway in making your music (and if you don't, you should!), so going one level deeper and swapping out oscillators and introducing controlled hard sync or PWM will be no-brainers before long. Why not just give yourself time on any given VI - just use the presets and before too long I reckon you'll find yourself delving deeper for various tweaks, all of which will eventually add up to your understanding the VI in question. Trust me, it'll happen. It's not as if VIs are any harder to programme than the real things (analogue synths). In fact, in many respects these things are designed to make tweaking quicker and more convenient.

As I said earlier in your other thread, Sylenth1 sounds like a ripper to me, so why not just start with that one as you'll have over a thousand great-sounding presets to get you started. My guess is that that synth could well service all your electronica needs (except perhaps percussion - I've not heard what it can do in this area) if you learn to programme it.

Good luck man, and welcome to the MOTU club.

[billf]

Brian Eno only uses Logic now for nearly all his synths and it seems to work for him.

I think its how you use the tools and the tools in logic are very good.

If your just going off presets and hearing those NOT in context (in a mix etc) it's hard to be really objective.

Excellent points Kassonica. There are many well known artists who use Logic, and there are many who use DP. Both apps are world class and which one chooses to use comes down exactly to context and personal preferences.

[martian]

to be honest I couldn't tell you in what modern DAW any movie - or track was made in just by listening to it...

I'm running genelecs here in a nice acoustically treated room -

I don't think DP has a sound - any more than a SD2 file has a sonic quality

[monkey man]

u r rite martian... DSIIz dunt hav eny sonik kwalyti... thai soand lyk krap.

[soundmaster]

Thanks for the positivity and support monkey man and wurliuchi.
I have an opinion and am absolutely adament about it. Everyone has the right to an opinion and should be respected for it. I love passionate debate and getting into the details of what people like and don't like for whatever their particular reasons are.It is stimulating and interesting to know where other people are coming from and why they do what they do, whether we agree with it or not.
The more people share their point of view(right or wrong) the more we all learn and reflect and bounce off each other and grow as musicians. Take what you like and leave the rest. I don't see any point in having to be vulgar or nasty about it.
Anyway i don't agree with dave polich at all. So many people have his reasoning these days and thats why were getting a lot of junk tracks on the market. I hear synths that have "SOFTWARE" written all over them and they stand out a mile and i simply can't stand them, even if they fit the context of the mix and appear to be quite appropriate, they just wreak of O's and 1's and "Binary coding inability" or "Incompetence" or "Me too" attitude.It makes me wanna spew.There are only a "FEW" top notch software coded synths out there that cut the mustard IMO and that would have to be the Creamware synths coded by John Bowen, maybe a couple of Native Instruments synths like Pro53 and Massive, that just make it past the line, and the some less well known alternatives that have been done by passionate talented coders who no one knows of. Such as Sylenth1, Synth1, and Nexus. The rest can go jump, including Absynth4 and all Rob Papens synths, they simply don't cut it for what i need if i'm gonna take on the big guns in my chosen genre of music.
Like I don't care a less how many producers out there want to compromise and de-sensitise themselves to that oh so obvious softsynth tone, i will not be doing it. The music i make is dependant on big, phat, chunky, wide sounding, thick tones, and if i'm gonna compete in the nightclub Techno arena, i need "PHAT' believe me Dave Polich, it is a very real and very legitimate concept that can be "HEARD" and stands out.
I understand that Techno house trance and the like are obviously not your passion or chosen genre of music but no matter how much you try to undermine the well known description that is called and known as "PHAT"! it still remains a tangible and realistic criteria to anyone who insists on it in their synths.
The synths that come with Logic are definitely "NOT" phat, lets leave it at that.
There are producers and composers out there who understand the term well and use it in their every day speak. If you dave , don't know what it means, then good Sir! that just means less competition for me.

[waxman]

I once had a major producer wanting to know how I got the Phat sound on the demo... after rousting him for a while I told him to go to Kmart and buy a Casio and call up patch 30... he was pissed... that was Phat...

it's all between the ears... he got the casio and the song was on MTV... Phat, Phat, Phat...

[MIDI Life Crisis]

<cracks in the thread>

[bezzy]

Thanks for the positivity and support monkey man and wurliuchi.
I have an opinion and am absolutely adament about it. Everyone has the right to an opinion and should be respected for it. I love passionate debate and getting into the details of what people like and don't like for whatever their particular reasons are.It is stimulating and interesting to know where other people are coming from and why they do what they do, whether we agree with it or not.
The more people share their point of view(right or wrong) the more we all learn and reflect and bounce off each other and grow as musicians. Take what you like and leave the rest. I don't see any point in having to be vulgar or nasty about it.
Anyway i don't agree with dave polich at all. So many people have his reasoning these days and thats why were getting a lot of junk tracks on the market. I hear synths that have "SOFTWARE" written all over them and they stand out a mile and i simply can't stand them, even if they fit the context of the mix and appear to be quite appropriate, they just wreak of O's and 1's and "Binary coding inability" or "Incompetence" or "Me too" attitude.It makes me wanna spew.There are only a "FEW" top notch software coded synths out there that cut the mustard IMO and that would have to be the Creamware synths coded by John Bowen, maybe a couple of Native Instruments synths like Pro53 and Massive, that just make it past the line, and the some less well known alternatives that have been done by passionate talented coders who no one knows of. Such as Sylenth1, Synth1, and Nexus. The rest can go jump, including Absynth4 and all Rob Papens synths, they simply don't cut it for what i need if i'm gonna take on the big guns in my chosen genre of music.
Like I don't care a less how many producers out there want to compromise and de-sensitise themselves to that oh so obvious softsynth tone, i will not be doing it. The music i make is dependant on big, phat, chunky, wide sounding, thick tones, and if i'm gonna compete in the nightclub Techno arena, i need "PHAT' believe me Dave Polich, it is a very real and very legitimate concept that can be "HEARD" and stands out.
I understand that Techno house trance and the like are obviously not your passion or chosen genre of music but no matter how much you try to undermine the well known description that is called and known as "PHAT"! it still remains a tangible and realistic criteria to anyone who insists on it in their synths.
The synths that come with Logic are definitely "NOT" phat, lets leave it at that.
There are producers and composers out there who understand the term well and use it in their every day speak. If you dave , don't know what it means, then good Sir! that just means less competition for me.

You truly are an idiot.

[monkey man]

Hmm... and yet he possesses the skill and creativity to be able to express a contrary point of view without resorting to personal attack.

[David Polich]

Well, it was a little bit personal, but frankly I don't care that much.

Bottom line is, it's really still opinion. Not facts. Soundmaster, you may go on believing that only certain synths qualify as acceptable. That's your call and it's your money, you have to spend your money as you see fit.

As near as I can determine, "Phat" seems to mean detuned sawtooth oscillators with the filters wide open, somewhere between the typical "Hoover" sound and the "Jump" Oberheim sound, with plenty of low end.
Throw in some flanging with a slow rate and high depth, and some delay.
This is what I'm hearing off the Sylenth demos. Almost everything sounds like that in those demos. Or, in the case of bass, well...just plenty of low end, with enough between 40 and 60 hz to cause speaker cone travel to the point of clipping.

Maybe I should just apply the above to all the sounds in all my mixes - yes, everything should be phat! I see the error of my ways now. Man, if this is all I need to do to get my records to the top of the chart - wow, I'll be rolling in cash in just a few months! No more economic downturn worries for me. Armed with my phat sounds and mixes, I could end up as successful as this guy:

http://www.rapbasement.com/news/scott-s ... wsuit.html

[MIDI Life Crisis]

<more cracks in the thread>

[monkey man]

Yes, David is a master of the craft of sound design, no doubt. Modest too, as he's resisted the temptation of referring to his own work. Well done Dave! FWIW David, I wasn't implicating you on anything you'd said earlier in my last post, but rather, I was responding to the preceding offering of:

You truly are an idiot.

Uncalled for, IMHO, so I pointed to the fact that at least the OP displayed the attributes I spoke of.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

You truly are an idiot.

Uncalled for, IMHO

Yes, those comments are totally inappropriate unless nicky and I are hurling them at each other Right bud???