DP at cutting edge

Tritonemusic · Post by **Tritonemusic** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:43 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Cuts thru my hearing like an ice pick

Bully!

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:02 pm

666 wrote:I did a search on youtube and I sure hope you're not talking about this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn4bU3m7Rig

All I can say is, HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

SPEAKING OF BULLS...

I found a photo of the singer in question. He seems so happy with his new found reverb...

"... expert vil-liage is whe-ere I lear-rned to dooooo-oooo thi-asss"

Explains the 'nasal' quality in his/her voice...

Tritonemusic · Post by **Tritonemusic** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:06 pm

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:07 pm

666 wrote:

NOW you may call me a bully!

muxlow · Post by **muxlow** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:25 pm

David Polich wrote:This I gotta say, I'd never judge sound quality (or lack of) based on what I hear on YouTube. YouTube and MySpace are the worst-sounding sites on the planet. It's degraded, crunchy, piss-poor 96kbps streaming audio.

Ditto. I'm surprised it took that many posts to make that point. It's like mixing over the telephone.

martian · Post by **martian** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:04 pm

muxlow wrote:
David Polich wrote:This I gotta say, I'd never judge sound quality (or lack of) based on what I hear on YouTube. YouTube and MySpace are the worst-sounding sites on the planet. It's degraded, crunchy, piss-poor 96kbps streaming audio.
Ditto. I'm surprised it took that many posts to make that point. It's like mixing over the telephone.

err I said that pages back! only not quite so in your face... but I did

yes! me! me! why can't any one hear me screeeeeeem?

add on that everb echo

yumm!

martian · Post by **martian** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:06 pm

David Polich wrote:
Ditto. I'm surprised it took that many posts to make that point. It's like mixing over the telephone.

hey my clients used to do that all the time,,,

they were usually shopping or walking down streets with traffic - and they would say profound things like I can't hear the bass - can you turn up the bass?

soundmaster · Post by **soundmaster** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:52 pm

hey guys, i respect the fact that some or most of you may be using Altiverb, and obviously it's one of the best out there and great stuff as a convolution plug, but i also like the sound of artificial reverb and i want to try and find one that sounds like those calssic 80's 90's high end studio reverbs like Lexicon that the big boys use on Celine Dion, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey and the like. I love that lush smooth artificial reverb tone to run a beautiful ambience of the end of some sounds.
I just think the Everb had a realistic dense tone to it that i haven't heard in a while, and my friend was of the same opinion. Or maybe the compressed audio format of youtube got rid of the mettalic nature of Everb and i didn't pick it up. who knows!

Anyway, Dave Polich, i'm not a sound designer so i rely on presets, and i've heard the Logic synths a lot of times, and although something like the ES2 may be capable of "Nice" sounds", it still has that typical software tone to it and sounds way to thin. I gave Logic a thorough going over on $10,000 Adams monitors and came away totally unimpressed on the whole. THIN THIN THIN is all i can say(including the EXS24 samples) I don't really care what sounds any synth is capable of making, if it doesn't sound phat, and i mean "PHAT" then it's a no go for me. I would love to have purchased Logic and i truly wanted to like it, but the sounds on the whole were a total let down because the thinness was overwhelming and so obvious. I know Logic is reputed to have the edge in CPU efficiency and low latency etc but i need an all in one package with great included sounds and Apple need to work out their sampling sessions and re-do all the samples and add some brand new "PHAT" synths IMO.

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:02 pm

"Phat" - what's that? I don't know what "phat" really is. +6db boost between 60 and 240hz? +4db boost with a wide q at 1.5k? 3 db boost at 6khz? All of the
above?

Sorry, I'm just tired of that lame term "phat". It's like saying something "sucks". It's non-specific and vague.

I don't think there is such a thing as a bad sounding synth. There is such a thing as a sound that is inappropriate in the context of a mix and/or arrangement. I can cite plenty of situations where "thin" is just what is needed. So if a "thin" sound is perfect for a track, does that mean it is "phat"?

I dunno, dude, you're beginning to remind me of that Foleycore guy who was eventually banned from the Yamaha and Roland forums. All you're saying is that you can't program synths. To dismiss products based on your inability to learn how to use them doesn't make them bad products.

"Any guitar I play sounds good" - Eddie Van Halen.

billf · Post by **billf** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:33 pm

martian wrote:yes! me! me! why can't any one hear me screeeeeeem?

Because you are a martian, and martians are from space, and as we all know:

bezzy · Post by **bezzy** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:50 pm

Wow, ya man If Logic only had E verb it would give me a permanent boner. Space designer is so un "Phatez". But seriously You Tube is such awesome mixing tool it sounds so friggin "Phat". Whats the Phatest Plugin in the world? cuz I wanna buy it.

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:44 pm

Brian Eno only uses Logic now for nearly all his synths and it seems to work for him.

I think its how you use the tools and the tools in logic are very good.

If your just going off presets and hearing those NOT in context (in a mix etc) it's hard to be really objective.

Maybe GB is more suited to you

wurliuchi · Post by **wurliuchi** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:44 pm

Hey, Soundmaster,

You get DP and play with it awhile and then post up a mix under a different name, and I'd venture to say that if the song is good, and you do a decent job mixing, most of these guys won't be able to tell you used eVerb or complain about the reverb at all. I've used it occasionally and it has worked for what I needed it for.

Good for you for voicing your preference for something that isn't popular, and for having a good attitude about it when people disagree with you -- sometimes very rudely and snidely.

All the best.

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:32 am

kassonica wrote: If your just going off presets and hearing those NOT in context (in a mix etc) it's hard to be really objective.

Maybe GB is more suited to you

Wonderfully stated, Kass!!!

Listen to the man, Soundmaster. Those "phat" sounds you mean might sound impressive to you in SOLO mode, but once they are played with other instruments, in the context of a mix, they will probably clutter too much, occupy too much sonic space, and make everything muddy.

Just a thought.

Mr_Clifford · Post by **Mr_Clifford** » Thu Jul 31, 2008 1:01 am

David Polich wrote: I don't think there is such a thing as a bad sounding synth. There is such a thing as a sound that is inappropriate in the context of a mix and/or arrangement. I can cite plenty of situations where "thin" is just what is needed. So if a "thin" sound is perfect for a track, does that mean it is "phat"?

That is so true!

A composer friend of mine once blew me away with a percussion part totally made up of sounds from the 'sound FX' kit on the Roland JV-30 (ie. the ultimate General MIDI keyboard). It's all about creativity and the ability to use what's available to you.