DP at cutting edge

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:32 pm

Count me as one of those who has disliked eVerb from day one. With a lot of work it can be okay, but that's as good as it gets for me. I really wouldn't ever consider using it in a project. Others may disagree.

Soundmaster, I think you'll get plenty of disagreement on the subject of Logic synths.
Or Logic in general. I prefer DP because I'm really familiar with it. But I have Logic 8 and I have to say, it's a good DAW as well. They're both good. And, they both have their share of less-than-stellar plugs as well (The Logic reverbs are nothing to write home about, that's for sure).

Maybe you dismissed the VI's in Logic based on a run-through of the presets that ship with them. And I'd be the first to admit that the presets could be a lot better. However, as a sound designer and programmer, I can assure you that the Logic synths are capable of producing amazing sounds once you get deep into working with them. Particularly Sculpture. Most people never go beyond the preset sounds. You're missing 99% of a synth if you just cycle through the presets.

Same for Absynth. That's one of my favorites, particularly the sound of the filters. I'm not talking about the "sounds", I'm talking about the sound
of Absynth - the overall sonic character. Again, Absynth alone could keep you occupied for years just exploring everything it can do (start with the
multi-stage envelopes, for one). Another thing you probably never tried (or maybe even knew about) in Absynth was importing your own samples into it as starting points for building a sound.

This I gotta say, I'd never judge sound quality (or lack of) based
on what I hear on YouTube. YouTube and MySpace are the worst-sounding sites on the planet. It's degraded, crunchy, piss-poor 96kbps streaming audio.

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:29 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:
666 wrote:I was just laughing at the vocals in that video. I couldn't listen to it without cracking up.
Nearly lost my dinner laughing at that. Geeze, if you're gonna make a how to YouTube use something other than a sick cow to do your vocals...

ROFL

ROTFLMAO

Dead cow really.

Everb One of the worst sounding verbs I have ever heard. I've heard freebe's that sounded better.

Now the DP plate is a different story, however each to there own.

Err expert village, I'd stay away from although it's good for s#its and giggles once a year.

croftish · Post by **croftish** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:11 am

I too couldn't disagree with you more soundmaster! I've always intensely disliked eVerb. I find Plate to be a very useful plugin now and again, but for sheer quality it's Altiverb everytime.
And I honestly can't get very excited about DP's bundled synths at all either.
NI synths are much more involving; deeper and more interesting to explore.
But hey, horses for courses eh?

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:21 am

croftish wrote:I too couldn't disagree with you more soundmaster! I've always intensely disliked eVerb. I find Plate to be a very useful plugin now and again, but for sheer quality it's Altiverb everytime.
And I honestly can't get very excited about DP's bundled synths at all either.
NI synths are much more involving; deeper and more interesting to explore.
But hey, horses for courses eh?

Horses for monkeys too, err Nicky

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 2:48 am

I could never shake the metallic sound in eVerb, but sometimes could get very close. Even then, the overall sound was just... I don't know what. Not terrible, but very poor. I went through several 3rd party reverbs before finally discovering Altiverb.

Altiverb saved me.

Shooshie

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:36 am

Shooshie wrote:I could never shake the metallic sound in eVerb, but sometimes could get very close. Even then, the overall sound was just... I don't know what. Not terrible, but very poor. I went through several 3rd party reverbs before finally discovering Altiverb.

Altiverb saved me.

Shooshie

Yes - "metallic", good call Shooshie.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:58 am

kassonica wrote:Horses for monkeys too, err Nicky

Well, having made quick work of this one, I was about to chase the jockey down, Mark.

Think I'll go another horse. Medium rare, please.

bkshepard · Post by **bkshepard** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:04 am

Shooshie wrote:I could never shake the metallic sound in eVerb

Funny, I was TRYING to get a metallic sound on a shaker once and eVerb was perfect!

mike_o · Post by **mike_o** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:08 am

bkshepard wrote:
Shooshie wrote:I could never shake the metallic sound in eVerb
Funny, I was TRYING to get a metallic sound on a shaker once and eVerb was perfect!

that's what I'm saying, people need to understand that the metallic quality is whats good about it, when it fit's your style of music it great, looking for more organic reverbs, you need to keep looking, cause eVerb aint it.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:11 am

...and this thread has exactly what to do with any cutting edge?

michkhol · Post by **michkhol** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:13 am

@soundmaster

While Logic synths sound quality is a matter of taste, Logic comes with a good sampler, DP has the Nanosampler which speaks for itself. If you already have a sampler it does not matter for you but you were talking about all-in-one solution. Logic can run more VIs than DP (5.12) at least on my rig. DP (5.12) had horrible MIDI latency problems with Virus TI. Logic had none OTB. Logic has something that other DAWs can only dream about: Environment and Transformers. But you have to dig into it to use their full potential. These are just a few reasons why I keep Logic along with DP.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:14 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:...and this thread has exactly what to do with any cutting edge?

Your post cut through the vibe of the thread like a knife?

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:42 pm

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:...and this thread has exactly what to do with any cutting edge?

The sound of eVerb.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 12:46 pm

Tim wrote:
MIDI Life Crisis wrote:...and this thread has exactly what to do with any cutting edge?

The sound of eVerb.

Cuts thru my hearing like an ice pick

Is there still a draft?

bkshepard · Post by **bkshepard** » Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:02 pm

After all, we did use the adjective metallic.