Guitar Rig crashes DP6

JMSchur · Post by **JMSchur** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:50 pm

Hi All

Strange one here. I installed DP6 on my PowerMac G5 (Dual 2.5Ghz; 4.5GB; 10.5.4) It's all good except that as soon as I try to use Guitar Rig 3 as a track insert DP crashes. The strange thing is that it ran fine with DP5 before I installed DP6. Now GR crashes DP5 as well. To complicate the matter, GR runs fine with DP6 on my Macbook Pro. Any ideas?

Regards

John

JMSchur · Post by **JMSchur** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:21 am

Update: As it turns out, it's not just Guitar Rig. All of my NI plugs behave the same way. I talked to MOTU Tech yesterday and Joe suspects a problem with MAS AudioUnit.bundle... We'll see.

Regards

daveyboy · Post by **daveyboy** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:55 am

JMSchur wrote:Update: As it turns out, it's not just Guitar Rig. All of my NI plugs behave the same way. I talked to MOTU Tech yesterday and Joe suspects a problem with MAS AudioUnit.bundle... We'll see.

Regards

Yep. I'm still ping ponging back and forth trying the new bundle and the old and everytime I try the new stuff just doesn't work correctly or in many cases not at all. I hope MOTU irons that out soon.

Eleventh Hour Sound · Post by **Eleventh Hour Sound** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:14 pm

Have you tried Guitar Rig 1 or 2? I was having a strange thing with Guitar Rig 2 and DP 5.13; once I edited a patch it would ask me it I wanted to save but then it wouldn't let me respond to the dialog box. I haven't messed with this in DP6 but I will.

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:34 pm

I am so tired of hearing this crap- O _La....

Question???

Is this the 1st time DP's AU wrapper/engine etc has wreaked Havoc with plugs and VI's?..

No!!!

Is it the 2nd...3rd...4th..?

No No No

Yet they do it again don't they?

This feels like they don;t give a damn!

At least they could have the ca-ho-nees to post a warning?..

Again, to continue to teach logic to MOTU, a PRO user should have the information before jumping into a pool of trouble..and who should provide this info? MOTU should!!!

Yet they are always silent...

Remeber, this whole site is not even an official site so to say that we should get important info from an official site is ludacris!!!

If there is a problem with the AU in DP 6..please MOTU, post official notices....

I for one, am getting really pissed off!!

joelmusic · Post by **joelmusic** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:22 pm

I've had success with all N.I. stuff in D.P. 6 - I can't use any instances that were created in 5.13 - they won't open up in 6 - however, if I open up an instrument or an effect (Guitar Rig) in v6, it works fine. [/i]

JMSchur · Post by **JMSchur** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:35 pm

joelmusic wrote:I've had success with all N.I. stuff in D.P. 6 - I can't use any instances that were created in 5.13 - they won't open up in 6 - however, if I open up an instrument or an effect (Guitar Rig) in v6, it works fine. [/i]

The problem appears to be limited to PPC machines. My intel Macbook Pro runs my DP6/NI stuff just fine.

slicerecords · Post by **slicerecords** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:04 pm

yes, there is a problem with certain plugs (included NI plugs) and a PPC using DP6. And it has to do with MOTU's AU to MAS wrapper.

I have done enough troubleshooting myself, and talking to MOTU and NI to come to this conclusion, even though both companies won't admit a secure answer.

I'm getting really pissed off too.......

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:26 pm

Yikes! My NI plugs are pretty much my bread and butter... DP always had automation problems with NI stuff, and now it looks like the NI stuff and DP have problems on PPC? I'm loyal, but now....

joelmusic · Post by **joelmusic** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:54 pm

jlaudon wrote:Yikes! My NI plugs are pretty much my bread and butter... DP always had automation problems with NI stuff, and now it looks like the NI stuff and DP have problems on PPC? I'm loyal, but now....

I'm sure MOTU will handle this issue in 6.01 - I don't think this is a case for lack of loyalty - just use 5.13 until the update. Supposedly DP6 handles host automation better - hopefully with the N.I. plugs as well? That would be nice!!!

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 9:45 pm

jlaudon wrote:Yikes! My NI plugs are pretty much my bread and butter... DP always had automation problems with NI stuff, and now it looks like the NI stuff and DP have problems on PPC? I'm loyal, but now....

Maybe it's a PPC thing, but it's working fine on the Intels. I haven't had to tweak a single instrument; they work just as they did in DP5.13

Shooshie

JMSchur · Post by **JMSchur** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 5:53 am

joelmusic wrote: snip - just use 5.13 until the update. Supposedly DP6 handles host automation better - hopefully with the N.I. plugs as well? That would be nice!!!

As mentioned in the original post, installing DP6 breaks the NI plugs for DP5.13 as well.

slicerecords · Post by **slicerecords** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:06 am

MOTU is aware of this and I'm sure they'll release an update soon.

JMSchur · Post by **JMSchur** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:13 am

slicerecords wrote:MOTU is aware of this and I'm sure they'll release an update soon.

I understand that... I have to question though how they could take three years to release a major update without having tested NI plugs on a PPC machine. Puzzling.

Dave Bourke · Post by **Dave Bourke** » Sat Jul 19, 2008 7:01 am

I've said this before but I think it bears repeating at this time: personally, I believe it's a bad idea to install a newer version of DP alongside an older version on the same boot drive, particularly if there are substantial infrastructure changes in the new version.

You could usually get away with this on Mac OS 9 because the new version usually installed extensions that wouldn't overwrite the old ones due to version numbering. But in OS X, installing a new version will overwrite the old version's support files with new ones which were never designed to work with the old version. So once you've installed DP6, launching DP5.13 executes code which (obviously) was not written to communicate with the new infrastructure installed by DP6.

In Mac OS 9 days, an install put a new app and maybe an extension or two and/or a control panel on your drive. OS X is a very different animal since it's based on Unix file/folder paths.

So, for instance, installing DP6 puts a new folder in the Applications Folder that contains DP6, plus Clicks, Extras, and Grooves folders (surmising since I don't yet have DP6). It will also overwrite the contents of the MAS folder inside the global Plug-ins folder as well as the other MOTU folders there. Also, the MOTU extensions inside the System folder may get overwritten with new ones. Your MOTU folders inside Application Support – global and User – may also be overwritten.

A lot of the files inside the Digital Performer preferences folder are going to be replaced as well. It's even conceivable that MOTU might change the format of DP's .plist file (from human-readable to .xml).

In OS X, even an application is not really an application any more – it's a folder with a custom icon that contains multiple components. So, really, an application is not just the icon that sits in your Application Folder – in reality, it's scattered across the file system in multiple locations, some of which you may not even have permission to access.

And creating a new User won't solve this since DP installs most of its support files to global folders. The only way that I'm aware to be guaranteed zero problems running two versions of DP on the same Mac is to have two boot drives, one with DP5.13 and the other with DP6.

What I intend to do (and what I've always done in OS X) is to wait until DP6.01 (at least) has been released, then clone my present drive, uninstall DP5.13 and install DP6.01. By doing it this way, I've never been bitten by any of the issues that accompany new releases.

My two centavos...

Kind regards.