Superior Drummer 2.0

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:53 pm

Varying install times = CPU speed/Computer model, perchance?

Matcher · Post by **Matcher** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:25 pm

Today I finally got to install S2, and did a 6 hour session with it. I'm very impressed. This is the best drum VI I've ever heard. It seems to be harder on the processor than DFHS. I had some system overloads, but only because all the stress seemed to be on just one core. I hope TT has optimized S2 for multi-core processors. Anyway, the results are a dream come true so I'm just thrilled to work with it. Mad respect for Toontrack

cbergm7210 · Post by **cbergm7210** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:01 am

Told ya'll it was fantastic.

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:06 am

The plugin presets (esp. the snare 'guillotine' preset) are great as well - now if we could only use these within Dp.....

Matcher · Post by **Matcher** » Mon Jul 21, 2008 5:38 pm

Matcher wrote:I had some system overloads, but only because all the stress seemed to be on just one core. I hope TT has optimized S2 for multi-core processors.

Ok, I'm wiser now. AFAIK, there is no plugin that can utilize more than one core at a time.

And, good news. 2.01 update is now available.

New Features:

- Shift-Right click (PC) / Shift-Control click (Mac) on insert toggles entire effects chain
- send and channel bleed levels have floaters (expressed in db)
- support for mutual alternation of articulations

Fixed in version 2.0.1

- MIDI communication in ProTools 7.4 PC resolved
- improved performance on multiprocessor Mac in PT 7.4
- no longer fails to load samples while in cache mode
- sync (humanize) between microphones in bounce files is now correct
- hihat transmuting issue when 'close' sounds faded to digital silence faster than other mics
- EQ no longer lead to intermittent CPU spikes
- FX GUI calls use less CPU
- solo buttons state on busses is now always refreshed properly
- improved memory total estimates for X-Drums
- memory estimates now reflects impact of pitch shifting
- authorizing EZX from S2.0 now correctly authorize them for use in EZdrummer
- parasite double-clicks are filtered off to yield expected results
- optimized visual hits handling, hopefully improving accuracy and consistency
- changing from Studio view to Classic view no longer holds MIDI for an instant
- Sound library selection menu reset is fully enforced on loading host saved files
- preset selection reset when a savefile is loaded
- Studio View / ClassicView selection is remembered when GUI is closed down
- improved substitutions scheme for legacy Superior sets

daveyboy · Post by **daveyboy** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:11 am

For those of you that own both, how does S2 compare to BFD2?

OftheSeven · Post by **OftheSeven** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:54 am

I've been a DKFH, Superior1 and C&V user for years now. Just upgraded to 2.0/2.01 and it sounds fantastic! Only problem is there is a bug when working with 48kHz sessions. When you bounce the tracks you get crackling and noise artifacts

It's a known problem and they're working on it but just be sure you're running 44.1.

OftheSeven · Post by **OftheSeven** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:59 am

daveyboy wrote:For those of you that own both, how does S2 compare to BFD2?

I'm so used to the way Toontrack programs work running BFD2 was a little awkward for me but I like the sounds from BFD2. BFD2 has a lot more variety in the sounds and types of drums BUT I like the hi-hat articulations better on S2. They seem more realistic to me.

If S2 had more drum varieties, it'd be the ultimate...i guess we have to wait until early 2009 before we get the Allaire sample set.

labman · Post by **labman** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 12:58 pm

Been using S2.0 for one week. The newly designed engine and GUI is wayyyy better. All our older C&V sets are loading just fine and some of the presets for "mixes" are really quite good. Quite happy here thus far.

Regards,
DLevy
mgr, Legacy Lab

rentadrummer · Post by **rentadrummer** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:09 pm

The only problem I've had with S2 is that my some of my menu options in DP (5.13) disappear after I've experimented and loaded and unloaded kits a few times. Closing the DP project and reopening it doesn't help, nor does opening a different project. I have to quit DP and relaunch it, which makes me think that this could be some type of a memory issue. I've also had a problem with a MIDI hi hat preset not be saved with the S2 project file, as it should be, and I'm thinking that this could be related to the same memory issue. I'm going to do a little further investigation and see what I can find.

Rainman · Post by **Rainman** » Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:07 am

I'm inclined to agree with rentadrummer on the memory issue. If I decide to change a kit or add to it while working with it in DP or Solo for instance it will sometimes not flush it's cache (at least I think that's it). Anyway, I'll sometimes have a readout in the box where it tells you the size in megs of the kit and I've seen it up to a whopping 2.4 gigs!! The next time it does this I'm going to confirm this via the activity monitor. I'll post the results here and over on the TT forum. FYI I am using the latest version of Superior 2.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 7:08 am

i have Superior 2 and it looks and sounds very cool and have not been able to figure this out. anyone have any suggestions?
what i don't understand as of yet,I use with a TD 20 and Roland pads.......
do you adjust the TD-20 for trigger sensitivity or do you the make adjustments for triggering pads in Superior 2 ?
i need to bring up the sensitivity and hope there is a way to make the adjustments w/ S2 so my TD 20 works correctly with its own sounds.... as of now the sensitivity as well as the volume is too low
how do you access templates or make pad trigger templates for it?
do I just get the corresponding pads to trigger correctly and save it ?
i have been reading and looking in the manual but haven't figured it out yet.
it's a drummer thing

KG

rentadrummer · Post by **rentadrummer** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:16 pm

kgdrum wrote:i have Superior 2 and it looks and sounds very cool and have not been able to figure this out. anyone have any suggestions?
what i don't understand as of yet,I use with a TD 20 and Roland pads.......
do you adjust the TD-20 for trigger sensitivity or do you the make adjustments for triggering pads in Superior 2 ?
i need to bring up the sensitivity and hope there is a way to make the adjustments w/ S2 so my TD 20 works correctly with its own sounds.... as of now the sensitivity as well as the volume is too low
how do you access templates or make pad trigger templates for it?
do I just get the corresponding pads to trigger correctly and save it ?
i have been reading and looking in the manual but haven't figured it out yet.
it's a drummer thing
KG

It's funny that you should bring this up because I was just trying to do exactly what you're asking about.

When I try to monitor S2 I can't get the sound I want, and when I play it back it's all too soft. So I tried recording a track using the Roland sounds, and not only can I see that the velocities are recording louder, but when I play it back using the S2 sounds, they are somewhat louder as well, which makes sense.

My understanding is that it's better to work with the velocity settings on the Voices and Layers of S2, than change sensitivities in the module, even though you could do so in a separate trigger bank.

Let's say the snare is 20 by default in the Soft window. I initially thought that if I raised it to 80, the velocity would be higher when I'm playing soft. When I tried it, it was even lower. Then I realized that this is where the samples are changing and you have to lower the velocity of 127 in the two other windows. I still don't have this working right, and it's starting to remind of EZDrummer. I gave up monitoring it while trying to record, and recorded using the Roland sounds instead. Then I just converted the MIDI sequence so it would trigger EZD properly. In the long run it's just easier for me, and less frustrating, but it would be ideal to get S2 working correctly.

As for saving, you can save your settings as a Project, and load them as needed. You can create different kits and save them, and if you remap any notes it will save them with the project. I created a New York Avatar kit, as well as a couple of kits that combine PopRock and Nashville from EZDrummer. You can also save any X drum kits you create separately from the project, and bring them into any other project.

There was a newer manual posted on line last week which might have some additional information.

EDIT:

I just made tried some further changes and so far they are an improvement.

Right click, or control click on any one of the toms to highlight it, and lower Hard to 85 and Limit to 115 in the Voices and Layers Window. That immediately made the tom louder when played, and you can experiment to find the setting that works best for your playing. You can do all of the toms at the same time by shift/right clicking, or shift/control clicking. You can make similar changes for all of the instruments, although the hi hat seems to be a little tricky. You have to choose which articulation you want to change and just change that one, but when I tried it with the closed hi hat, I wound up going from a closed to a very open sound. I'll have to play around with that one a little more. Anyway, this seems to be on the right track.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 5:15 pm

hi RaD,so it's not just me, lol
thanks for the feedback,I will try as you suggest.
I also recieved a very quick reply from TT ,i will post as it might help you as well :

Quote : "ORIGINAL: kgdrum
do you adjust the TD-20 for trigger sensitivity or do you the make adjustments for triggering pads in Superior 2 ?
i need to bring up the sensitivity and hope there is a way to make the adjustments w/ S2 so my TD 20 works correctly with its own sounds.... as of now the sensitivity as well as the volume is too low

Adjust in Superior 2.0.
It will all get much easier once a series of MIDI related features have been implemented in a future update of Superior 2.0 but until then:
Volume is very easy, just raise it.
Work with the Velocity Ctrl values for the sensitivity for each pad and/or articulation.

how do you access templates or make pad trigger templates for it?
do I just get the corresponding pads to trigger correctly and save it ?

No Templates as it was with Superior 1.
Set up your triggers, sensitivity, HH Ctrl etc as you wish them to work with your edrum setup(s) and save as MIDI presets.
These can be applied to Kit/Project Presets.

Best Regards,
John "

will give all of the above a shot and let you know if the results are improved.
It's nice too see Toontrack responded in a couple of hours on a Saturday.
KG