DP6 : Hobbit Meets With MOTU

[tomeaton]

Even if they just made THOSE reasons known...

I have argued with people there about e-mailing the user base when an update to ANY motu product is released... and Dave specifically said it was too much of a hassle, because people would be getting information that didn't necessarily specifically relate to the products they own.

I don't know. I sure know what's up with Waves and UA as they send me a message every week.

I just can't figure out what the customer philosophy is there. We're loyal, we're not going anywhere... let us help you make the thing all it can be.

It's like every year someone throws a box over the wall and we're left to sniff it out.

I personally would LOVE to sit down with a MOTU designer for 30 minutes in my studio... I have the feeling that they really don't do much session work.

-tom

[chaim]

As a feature request:

• Solo Pan and Volume in SE in each track.
• When dragging track clipping from clipping window give option NOT to add the word "copy".

Thanks.

DP is the best.

[Frodo]

I have argued with people there about e-mailing the user base when an update to ANY motu product is released... and Dave specifically said it was too much of a hassle, because people would be getting information that didn't necessarily specifically relate to the products they own.

That strikes me as rather odd since it presents several very different arguments... and it raises more questions than it answers:

1. Isn't one of the products "they own" likely to be DP. Most power users are smart enough to connect the dots where their third-parties present such notes. It leaves the user to assume too much about what's going on with DP. But having any notes at all at the very least will help to eliminate much guesswork even where the info doesn't pertain to third-party plugins.

2. In direct conflict is the notion that users don't want to have such info about DP if some of that info doesn't pertain to third-party software. To assume that such info wouldn't be helpful to the user is not something that can be concluded without some evidence of what that info really is... or by letting the user make that determination for themselves. That may seem like a copout suggestion on the surface, but users are currently left to figure a lot of things on their own without the help of any official info.

3. "Too much of a hassle". This is another matter entirely that has nothing to do with whether the info is useful or not. If it's too time consuming or if they are understaffed, that's another story-- and, oddly enough, it's a very understandable concern. But it *does* imply a totally different and an essentially unrelated consideration.

4. Indeed, I appreciate so much the white papers from AudioEase, UAD, Synthogy, EWQL, VSL, Apple, and other developers. Again, such info keeps me from bumping my head on running tests when I know some issue has been acknowledged and/or resolved, especially when user error is ALWAYS the first assumption.

I would hope MOTU would rethink their approach to customer relations in this regard, but at present "silence" is less golden than it appears to be "deadly".

[FMiguelez]

Just chiming in to say all Q's have been documented.

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To that, I would add the ability to select tracks FROM the mixer (unless, of course, this is already possible with newer DP versions...)

FM- can you expound on this? DP5 has a track list from which one can choose tracks to appear in the mixer (and other edit windows). Is that what you mean? Just curious.

DP6 allegedly uses a single track selector list for all edit windows, but maybe someone with DP6 can explain the current pros and cons for you.

What I mean is to be able to select tracks in the mixer, just the same way you select them in the TO or SE by clicking on the track's name (being able to select one track, or many, by shift clicking or command clicking. The range in the selection area would then be selected for the selected tracks)

Blue posted that by double clicking on the track's title this would be possible, but at least in my version (4.61) nothing happens. If this was an added feature in later DP versions, please disregard

Now, 2 things that I think are very important:

1.- The ability to make the QT movie run independently of the Tap Tempos I record (when set to receive external sync: tap tempo). So far, the movie follows the tempo changes I tap, so it doesn't make sense to record a tempo for film scoring this way. I know this is remedied by running the QT from another machine, but it would be much more practical to be able to do it from the same machine.
I really don't get what's the point of the QT following the taps at all... really

2.- Sorry if I sound like a scratched LP recording, but I REALLY would love to be able to have many different kinds of markers (comments markers, form markers, Film hit-points markers, etc). And be able to choose which kind(s) of marker(s) I want to see at any given time, and to be able to use takes in the conductor track to have different "takes" of markers.

3.- An improved QS tool. Incorporate an improved version of Mosaic, perhaps? That's probably pushing too much... But wouldn't it be AWESOME????

[gatito25]

Hi

in protools you can mirror the main panning of a track with their aux panning control, so you don't have to set up main pan then the little aux pan control to the same parameter, how you do this in DP5 other the manually?

answer: not possible direct way.
monkey man and othes users suggest several works arounds but nothing direct or without a several special set up process.

it will be nice to have this option in DP6 as protools have it, just a check box to mirror the aux pan's to the main track one's.

p.s I m not comparing Protools with DP6 just doing an example of an option i would like to see in DP6.

[brubru]

Is addictive drums crashing DP6 a Motu issue or Addictive Drums issue?

thanks

[pcm]

As a feature request:

• Solo Pan and Volume in SE in each track.
• When dragging track clipping from clipping window give option NOT to add the word "copy".

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How about a solo button IN the plugin windows, so you have the option to solo the track as you make adjustments in the plugin. Not so different from what engineers do in a physical room with gear.

[tyronehowe]

Is MOTU planning to present a list of things that have been fixed in DP, with the updates?

OFF TOPIC:
This is such a good question. I really don’t get what MOTU are playing at here. Ok I’ve only been a DPer for a few months, but I’ve seen plenty of software releases over the years.

Even Steinberg releases a document with every upgrade (and every update!) listing all fixes, enhancements and known issues.

Come on MOTU; what is the big secret? Surely you can’t be ashamed of what you’ve fixed?

To me the entire DP6 thing smacks of lack of resources / unreasonable time constraints. The product was considerably later than they’d planned for. My professional and completely unfounded guess is that things are not well in the DP6 development camp.

Steinberg went through just this situation with the rushed release of an obviously unfinished Cubase 4. It took them well over a year to recover from it. They should just have released Cubase a year later than they did, but obviously couldn’t afford to. This release of DP6 really feels the same to me. Looking at all the threads on this board about DP6 does not make for good reading. For all the positive things said, there are many more negatives. Too many people are having problems with stuff that did work in v5. That’s not right – it just sounds like rushed software.

BACK ON TOPIC:

Frodo, you really are a star. Offering to do all this work for us Cornies is really beyond the call of duty, I salute you. And the very best of British luck for tomorrow (as we say here!)

[Frodo]

Come on MOTU; what is the big secret? Surely you can’t be ashamed of what you’ve fixed?

Everyone LOVES a secret. Keeps people interested. Makes everything feel important. In fact, the mystery is usually more intriguing than the truth--- ie: Paul is dead.

Frodo, you really are a star. Offering to do all this work for us Cornies is really beyond the call of duty, I salute you. And the very best of British luck for tomorrow (as we say here!)

Thanks for the ultra-kind and un-earned sentiments, Ty-- but there's really nothing stellar going on here. We spend so much time on this forum together tearing out what's left of our hair sorting through the why's and WTF's that getting an audience on the occasion of this new release for the sake of intermediate or advanced old timers has turned into a "must".

Such public events for DP are so infelicitously rare in the States (for any American software product of its kind!) that the nature of the occasion itself is worth reporting (fwiw). Whatever questions get answered (willingly or by force!!) will be a bonus. Regardless, an assessment of the event will be quite telling of MOTU's public focus where even their website's own RSS feeds are updated in intervals of weeks or months.

[tyronehowe]

Thanks for the ultra-kind and un-earned sentiments, Ty-- but there's really nothing stellar going on here. We spend so much time on this forum together tearing out what's left of our hair sorting through the why's and WTF's that getting an audience on the occasion of this new release for the sake of intermediate or advanced old timers has turned into a "must".

Such public events for DP are so infelicitously rare in the States (for any American software product of its kind!) that the nature of the occasion itself is worth reporting (fwiw). Whatever questions get answered (willingly or by force!!) will be a bonus. Regardless, an assessment of the event will be quite telling of MOTU's public focus where even their website's own RSS feeds are updated in intervals of weeks or months.

Well I’m not sure about un-earned – your post count is nearly 10,000!

This inapproachability of software companies seems to be universal, well at least in the DAW world and I will never really understand it. As far as I can see, quite a few of the DP6 issues could easily have been circumvented by asking some of the long time members of this board. The GUI issue, for example, could have been avoided (or at least helped). Ho hum.

[mike_o]

I would like to see a selection switch in the pan control area, the ability to set my pans to either blend, or fade mode, blend would mix the 2 channels and fade would voume adjust the L/R volumes as it does now, this would be smooth.

[David Polich]

I'd just like to see the MAS/Audio Unit Support issue fixed. I think that's the first priority.

[Frodo]

I'd just like to see the MAS/Audio Unit Support issue fixed. I think that's the first priority.

For a while, the idea of having a v.5.2 was appealing to me for this very reason. If MAS/AU Support is as good as it gets now to warrant a DP6 release, it makes me wonder if some of the needed improvements must come from Apple first to facilitate things for MOTU to create a more stable-feeling MAS-AU Support.

Since MAS is not a young audio engine, I also wonder how much (if any) of MAS was revamped for DP6 in addition to the MAS/AU- MAS/Core Audio bundles that serve to keep these audio engines linked.

[chaim]

• it seems to me that there is an issue in DP6 with Auto Tune.

• Feature request: More articulations in Quick Scribe

[tomeaton]

With DP's pitch correction, or Antares AutoTune?

What's going on for you other than the crossfade business?

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