Hard Drive "Missing"

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:53 am

OK, I've downloaded it and no go.
From the app iteslf:
"Data Rescue focuses on data recovery as opposed to hard drive repair."

It does more than just focus on it; it completely omits any sort of (even minor) repair.
Bummer.

bongo_x · Post by **bongo_x** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:00 am

Data Rescue does a different thing, as you've discovered. It just tries to get your data back, it doesn't even try to fix your drive. It's good for the right situation because sometimes you can't fix the drive, but you can get some of your data back. Your data will not even be named properly when your done. It's more of an emergency tool.

bb

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:27 am

As I now know, you're spot-on, BB.

Tonio · Post by **Tonio** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:51 am

Sorry if it didn't work for ya MM. When I used the demo, after a few times, it woke up the HD, and I was able to copy over about 3gigs manually to another drive.
YMMV, it may have been a fluke.
T

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 12:25 pm

Aha! OK, I'll try a couple of dummy extractions anyway then.

Thank you Tonio.

robstudio · Post by **robstudio** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:05 pm

Hey MM,
stupid, random thought here... I wonder if popping the drive into an external case, usb-sata, would help at all. I'm just thinking on an off chance it might change something, and let you access the disc.... I wouldn't spend money on a case though... unless, you might want an extra external for b/u. Hey, here's a cheaper idea... have you tried pulling out the drive, give it a restart with just the boot drive, shut down, and then reinstall the drive in a different bay... probably won't help, just a thought... good luck, keep us posted....
Regards, Rob

Tonio · Post by **Tonio** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:12 pm

+1 on stupid random thought. Have you tried simply unplugging the HD and replug the cable? I suppose it would be slide i/o for a MAC PRO eh?
Could be a bugger in there mate?

T

p.s. do primates like i/o? Me thinks so

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:18 am

monkey man wrote:Aha! OK, I'll try a couple of dummy extractions anyway then.

Well, the only dummy was me, and I was doing the extracting.

Managed to extract an empty folder, that's all.
Unfortunately this didn't seem to affect the drive's recognisability.

No fellas, I haven't tried removing the drive yet, rebooting, shutting down and reinstalling it; that'll be close to a last resort, but the time is edging closer.
The thing is, especially now that my shoulder and hip are shot to bits and practically unusable, even removing the Mac from my rack is going to require an evening and I'm not sure I can even do it.

FWIW, the popup screen appears again no when I boot up.
Also, FWIMBW, here's the ScanEngineLog from the data recovery app:

Log started at Wed Jul 16 20:35:48 2008
Program="/Volumes/A-DATA/A-Software/Software General/Utilities/Data Recovery/Data Rescue II‚Ñ¢ 1.2.1 UB Demo/Data Rescue II.app/Contents/MacOS/DR2Backend"
Owner=501, group=20, mode=100755
UID=501, GID=20, EUID=0, EGID=20
0.000 I argv[0] = "-fixperm"
Log started at Wed Jul 16 20:35:50 2008
Program="/Volumes/A-DATA/A-Software/Software General/Utilities/Data Recovery/Data Rescue II‚Ñ¢ 1.2.1 UB Demo/Data Rescue II.app/Contents/MacOS/DR2Backend"
Owner=0, group=0, mode=104755
UID=501, GID=20, EUID=0, EGID=20
0.000 I argv[0] = "-l"
0.000 I argv[1] = "English"
0.000 I argv[2] = "-as"
0.000 I argv[3] = "/Users/Nicky/Library/Application Support/Data Rescue II"
0.012 Temp dir is "/tmp"
0.013 Loading strings from /Volumes/A-DATA/A-Software/Software General/Utilities/Data Recovery/Data Rescue II‚Ñ¢ 1.2.1 UB Demo/Data Rescue II.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/backend.strings
0.016 String hash table 1172 strings, 174 collisions

0.247 GFM loading files from directory "/Volumes/A-DATA/A-Software/Software General/Utilities/Data Recovery/Data Rescue II‚Ñ¢ 1.2.1 UB Demo/Data Rescue II.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj"
0.247 GFM loading definitions from /Volumes/A-DATA/A-Software/Software General/Utilities/Data Recovery/Data Rescue II‚Ñ¢ 1.2.1 UB Demo/Data Rescue II.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/core.gfm
0.247 Loading GFM definitions from /Volumes/A-DATA/A-Software/Software General/Utilities/Data Recovery/Data Rescue II‚Ñ¢ 1.2.1 UB Demo/Data Rescue II.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/core.gfm
0.249 gfm file Tue Jun 3 19:35:49 2008
0.256 (244 GFM definitions)
0.256 GFM 244 definitions loaded
1.763 GFM Warning: Start pattern for "Mail/AppleMail/Mail" may mask that for "Mail/Eudora 5/In"
1.770 GFM Warning: Start pattern for "Mail/AppleMail/Mail" may mask that for "Mail/Eudora 5/Out"
1.774 GFM Warning: Start pattern for "Mail/AppleMail/Mail" may mask that for "Mail/Eudora/In"
1.778 GFM Warning: Start pattern for "Mail/AppleMail/Mail" may mask that for "Mail/Eudora/Junk"
1.782 GFM Warning: Start pattern for "Mail/AppleMail/Mail" may mask that for "Mail/Eudora/Out"
1.785 GFM Warning: Start pattern for "Mail/Eudora 5/Eudora Settings" may mask that for "Mail/Eudora/Eudora Settings"
1.840 Ctrl Data Rescue II version 1.2.1 (Build 59)
1.841 Ctrl HW Info: MacPro3,1 x86 2.80GHz
18.035 -[ScanControl refresh_device_list_async:]
18.037 default_open_bs = 0
18.045 is_hfs_volume(/dev/rdisk0s2, 0x0) hfsp vh score=56
18.045 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk0s2) = 2
18.051 Nm default_open_bs = 0
18.051 Nm NCC Checking /dev/rdisk0s2
18.051 Nm NCC HFS+ volume hdr @400
18.051 Nm NCC *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.051 Nm NCC catpos=da2000
18.060 Nm NCC Found 1 volumes
18.061 Nm *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.061 Nm catpos=da2000
18.067 Nm Volume name for /dev/rdisk0s2 = " OSX 10.5.3"
18.068 default_open_bs = 0
18.076 is_hfs_volume(/dev/rdisk0s3, 0x0) hfsp vh score=56
18.076 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk0s3) = 2
18.076 Nm default_open_bs = 0
18.076 Nm NCC Checking /dev/rdisk0s3
18.077 Nm NCC HFS+ volume hdr @400
18.077 Nm NCC *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.077 Nm NCC catpos=2950000
18.082 Nm NCC Found 1 volumes
18.082 Nm *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.084 Nm catpos=2950000
18.089 Nm Volume name for /dev/rdisk0s3 = "A-DATA"
18.089 Using first child FS type of 2 for /dev/rdisk0
18.090 System found no children for /dev/rdisk1.
18.091 default_open_bs = 0
18.091 Can't read 16384 @ 0
18.091 Can't read 16384 @ 0
18.091 default_open_bs = 0
18.091 Can't read 16384 @ 400
18.092 Can't read 16384 @ 0
18.092 Can't read 16384 @ 0
18.092 Can't read 16384 @ 0
18.092 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk1) = 1
18.092 Can't determine a FS type for /dev/rdisk1. Assuming HFS.
18.093 default_open_bs = 0
18.100 is_hfs_volume(/dev/rdisk2s2, 0x0) hfsp vh score=56
18.100 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk2s2) = 2
18.100 Nm default_open_bs = 0
18.100 Nm NCC Checking /dev/rdisk2s2
18.101 Nm NCC HFS+ volume hdr @400
18.101 Nm NCC *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.101 Nm NCC catpos=1a22000
18.107 Nm NCC Found 1 volumes
18.107 Nm *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.119 Nm catpos=1a22000
18.120 Nm Volume name for /dev/rdisk2s2 = "C- SAMPLES"
18.120 default_open_bs = 0
18.133 is_hfs_volume(/dev/rdisk2s3, 0x0) hfsp vh score=56
18.133 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk2s3) = 2
18.134 Nm default_open_bs = 0
18.134 Nm NCC Checking /dev/rdisk2s3
18.134 Nm NCC HFS+ volume hdr @400
18.134 Nm NCC *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.134 Nm NCC catpos=346d000
18.145 Nm NCC Found 1 volumes
18.145 Nm *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.151 Nm catpos=346d000
18.158 Nm Volume name for /dev/rdisk2s3 = "C-BACKUP"
18.158 Using first child FS type of 2 for /dev/rdisk2
18.159 default_open_bs = 0
18.171 is_hfs_volume(/dev/rdisk3s2, 0x0) hfsp vh score=56
18.171 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk3s2) = 2
18.171 Nm default_open_bs = 0
18.171 Nm NCC Checking /dev/rdisk3s2
18.171 Nm NCC HFS+ volume hdr @400
18.172 Nm NCC *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.172 Nm NCC catpos=f02000
18.180 Nm NCC Found 1 volumes
18.180 Nm *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.180 Nm catpos=f02000
18.185 Nm Volume name for /dev/rdisk3s2 = "D- DP5"
18.185 default_open_bs = 0
18.197 is_hfs_volume(/dev/rdisk3s3, 0x0) hfsp vh score=56
18.198 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk3s3) = 2
18.198 Nm default_open_bs = 0
18.198 Nm NCC Checking /dev/rdisk3s3
18.198 Nm NCC HFS+ volume hdr @400
18.199 Nm NCC *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.199 Nm NCC catpos=df2000
18.202 Nm NCC Found 1 volumes
18.202 Nm *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.202 Nm catpos=df2000
18.203 Nm Volume name for /dev/rdisk3s3 = "D- OSX FAT"
18.204 default_open_bs = 0
18.213 is_hfs_volume(/dev/rdisk3s4, 0x0) hfsp vh score=56
18.213 -[ScanEngine fs_type_from_volume

offset:](/dev/rdisk3s4) = 2
18.214 Nm default_open_bs = 0
18.214 Nm NCC Checking /dev/rdisk3s4
18.214 Nm NCC HFS+ volume hdr @400
18.214 Nm NCC *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.214 Nm NCC catpos=1a28000
18.223 Nm NCC Found 1 volumes
18.223 Nm *ABL start = 0, block size=8
18.223 Nm catpos=1a28000
18.233 Nm Volume name for /dev/rdisk3s4 = "D-BACKUP"
18.234 Using first child FS type of 2 for /dev/rdisk3
72.096 Changing temp working directory from "/tmp" to "/tmp"
77.136 Select device "Unknown" (/dev/rdisk1) OK
77.137 Setting device bounds: start=0x0 stop=0x0
77.137 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Eudora Settings, specified=1
77.137 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Eudora Settings = 0
77.137 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/In, specified=1
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/In = 0
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Junk, specified=1
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Junk = 0
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Out, specified=1
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Out = 0
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/In, specified=1
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/In = 0
77.138 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/Out, specified=1
77.139 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/Out = 0
77.140 QS Starting quick scan for /dev/rdisk1
77.155 QS default_open_bs = 0
77.155 QS NCC Checking /dev/rdisk1
77.155 QS NCC Can't read 16384 @ 0
77.156 QS NCC Can't read 16384 @ 0
77.156 QS NCC Can't read 16384 @ 400
77.156 QS NCC Found 0 volumes
77.156 QS Looking for volume headers on /dev/rdisk1
77.156 QS Can't read 16384 @ 0
77.156 QS Looking for alternate headers at end of media @0
77.156 QS NCC vol hdr pos mismatch, ffffffffffffffff != ncc 0
77.157 QS Catalog info, initial pass
77.158 QS Initial phase read 1 keys
77.158 QS Sorting catalog keys by node ID
77.541 QS Cat sort complete
77.542 QS Purging true duplicates
77.542 QS Purged 0 true duplicate nodes
77.543 QS Renumbering duplicate IDs
77.543 QS Renumbered 0 duplicate node IDs
77.543 QS Sorting catalog keys by node ID
77.545 QS Cat sort complete
77.545 QS Finding orphan nodes
77.546 QS Rescued 0 items, 0 orphans remaining
77.546 QS Rescued 0 items, 0 orphans remaining
77.547 QS Found 0 orphans
77.547 QS Sorting catalog keys by parent node ID and name
77.549 QS Cat sort complete
77.550 QS Adding parent indices
77.551 QS Quick scan of Unknown completed with some errors: [4*6481 274 312]
77.553 TI Gathering tree info for keynum fffffffffffffffc, flags=0
77.554 TI Gathering tree info succeeded.
77.564 TI Gathering tree info for keynum fffffffffffffffd, flags=0
77.564 TI Gathering tree info failed: [4*6481 274 312]
77.573 TI TI Gathering tree info for keynum fffffffffffffffe, flags=0
77.573 TI TI Gathering tree info failed: [no errors]
77.585 TI TI TI Gathering tree info for keynum ffffffffffffffff, flags=0
77.585 TI TI TI Gathering tree info failed: [no errors]
105.465 Recovery directory set to "/Users/Nicky/Desktop"
105.859 RL Recovering list of files to "/Users/Nicky/Desktop"
127.225 Changing temp working directory from "/tmp" to "/tmp"
135.114 Select device "Unknown" (/dev/rdisk1) OK
135.114 Setting device bounds: start=0x0 stop=0x0
135.115 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Eudora Settings, specified=1
135.115 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Eudora Settings = 0
135.115 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/In, specified=1
135.115 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/In = 0
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Junk, specified=1
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Junk = 0
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Out, specified=1
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Out = 0
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/In, specified=1
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/In = 0
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/Out, specified=1
135.130 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/Out = 0
135.132 TS Starting thorough scan for /dev/rdisk1
135.135 TS Can't read 512 @ 200
135.135 TS Can't read 262144 @ 0
135.135 TS Can't read 131072 @ 0
135.135 TS Can't read 65536 @ 0
135.135 TS Can't read 32768 @ 0
135.135 TS Can't read 16384 @ 0
135.136 TS Can't read 8192 @ 0
135.136 TS Can't read 4096 @ 0
135.136 TS Can't read 2048 @ 0
135.140 TS * Post scan. n_hdr_nodes=0, n_hfs_vhs=0, n_hfsp_vhs=0
135.140 TS n_hfs_pairs=0, n_hfsp_pairs=0
135.141 TS No CBR spans to process
135.141 TS Analyzing HFSP BS histogram
135.141 TS Analyzing HFSP BS histogram complete
135.142 TS Analyzing HFS BS histogram
135.142 TS Analyzing HFS BS histogram complete
135.142 TS Done postprocessing CBR data, 0 spans
135.142 TS Catalog info, initial pass
135.143 TS Initial phase read 1 keys
135.144 TS Can't open /tmp/DataRescueTemp/spans1 mode rb: No such file or directory
135.517 TS Cat merge CBR
135.517 TS Can't open /tmp/DataRescueTemp/spans1 mode rb: No such file or directory
135.518 TS Cat merge CBR aborted
135.518 TS start_scan: Failed with errors: [9*6480 171]
175.194 Changing temp working directory from "/tmp" to "/Users/Nicky/Desktop"
175.232 Select device "Unknown" (/dev/rdisk1) OK
175.232 Setting device bounds: start=0x0 stop=0x0
175.233 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Eudora Settings, specified=1
175.233 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Eudora Settings = 0
175.233 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/In, specified=1
175.233 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/In = 0
175.233 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Junk, specified=1
175.234 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Junk = 0
175.234 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Out, specified=1
175.234 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora/Out = 0
175.234 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/In, specified=1
175.234 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/In = 0
175.234 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/Out, specified=1
175.234 Def enabled of File Modules/Mail/Eudora 5/Out = 0
175.235 AZ start_analyze: Zero range

Greek to me, but I'm just a punk.

Thank you again for chiming in, chaps.

bdr · Post by **bdr** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:47 am

Nicky, you really should try Disk Warrior. It has saved a couple of disks of mine in the past- a real miracle worker. Of course, there's also been a couple that she couldn't save.

Brett

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:07 am

Fair call, Brett; I've heard nothing but good things said about DW, unlike TTP.

I cannot purchase anything online yet, but I'll give Streetwise or New Wave Systems a call.
Hope it's dirt cheap man; as a strict rule, I do not buy software, MOTU and Apple excepted.

billf · Post by **billf** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:46 am

monkey man wrote:Fair call, Brett; I've heard nothing but good things said about DW, unlike TTP.

I cannot purchase anything online yet, but I'll give Streetwise or New Wave Systems a call.
Hope it's dirt cheap man; as a strict rule, I do not buy software, MOTU and Apple excepted.

Nicky, I'm not sure that you'll find it "dirt cheap" but if you have some other Mac users in your local area who have it, maybe they can help you out. If you can boot up your Mac in Target Mode and hook it to their Mac, you can get to the disk and have them try DW on it.

Short of that, I know it's difficult to open the wallet for a utility that you might use once, but then again it all depends on whether the data on that disk is valuable.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:34 am

Thank you Billy.

Yeah, it's times like these that I wish I knew other Mac users and music makers.
Actually, I always wish I knew other Mac users and music makers - that's why I'm here at da 'Nation.

You've got me wondering though whether or not I should just bite the bullet and remove the drive and do the reboot and reinstall boogie.
At this point I'm probably better off sorting this quickly, even if it means wiping the drive and reloading it with a slightly older (and copied as opposed to original) version of its contents.
Heck, if I could access the erase feature of DU I'd do it now, but alas, I'm locked out.

Confused and grateful, man.

bkshepard · Post by **bkshepard** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:54 am

Nicky, is there a computer shop you can take the drive to? Chances are, they will have something like Disk Warrior and can easily fix your drive. From your description, I really do think its just a corrupt drive header file and not an actual failed drive. I'd hate to see you lose all the files if all it needs is to have the drive's header file repaired. Of course, taking it to the shop will probably cost as much, or more, than buying DW.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:19 am

Ha! Thank you Brian; therein lies the snare:

I've had a faulty mouse and audio output since I bought the machine; I replaced the mouse through the mail but it broke again 3 weeks later, so I figured I'd wait 'till I could get to a store (maybe by taxi!) as I'd need to take the Mac in anyway.
So here I am, 7 months later, still listening to this crappy Mac speaker 'cause I don't even have line outs, and I'm honestly no closer to getting this thing off to a store (it's gonna cost me an arm, literally LOL).

A fellow 'Cornie has offered to lend me his DW copy, just for this one occasion, so that could well fix things.
Fingers crossed; I'll report back when I've downloaded DW (which could take a while - I've no idea how big it is yet).

Thank you to all who've tried to help lil' ol' me.
While I'm at it:
Thank you very, very much to the kind-hearted 'Cornie (aren't we all?) who's so graciously offered the loan - you know who you are.

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:30 am

OK. I've now tried every apparent option in DW, and the drive's identified as:

"...a whole bunch of character gibberish, followed by [not available]"

Not good, methinks. This drive's only had data copied to it less than a dozen times.
Seems mighty odd for a WD with a 3 year warranty, plus this is the first glitch I've ever experienced with a WD.

Thank you again to the 'Cornie who leant me the app.