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[willtompkins]

Are you trying to create another PT/DP debate? Because if you are, then you should legitimately support it, particularly from experience. How much have you actually worked with Pro Tools? And I'm not talking about LE.

PT kicks DP's ass for stability?! HA! I just seriously laughed out loud.

PT has crashed on me from simply trying to scroll the screen! I could honestly sit here and write all day about the horrible experiences/crashes I've had with PT. And you know what? Yes, DP has problems too, as does EVERY DAW out there. It's software! You want to talk about variables? This is commonplace knowledge; of course there are variables. We're dealing with computers here.

I just don't understand where you're going with this. No offense, but it seems like you just want something to bitch about. There's plenty of room for it, but choose wisely/tastefully.

Cheers,

-Will

[Timeline]

Anyone got a lite?

[toodamnhip]

Hmm..I just don't understand why no ones understands.

My debate is about proprietary systems versus native. Pro Tools happens to be numero uno. I am no Pro Tools advocate more than any other system.

It is quite amazing to see the dedication and how personal everyone seems to react. Again, I have been using Perfromer since it FIRST CAME OUT. I use all the programs out there, all of them. I love DP.

But why is no one adressing the subject of the liabilities of being married to an operating system?

So much emotion...it appears some are also married to Mrs MOTU...

I will say this..it is interesting that with the advent of soft synths, Pro Tools and others are now becoming more subject to OS Liabilities....

As far as Pro Tools crashing/....

You all don;t have MY technician..crashing in Pro Tools is a NEVER with his set ups. But there ya go, maybe some Pro Tools set ups do crash which shows Pro Tools also is married to it's OS;..No Prob, this is about discussion...

I think some would like me to not speak if I happen to infer Mrs MOTU has flat feet..lol

Guess what, all woman have a flaw or two under the hood, can't a guy lift up Mrs MOTU's skirt and discuss her panties anymore...jeez!

Ya all need to lighten up!

Dave

<small>[ April 18, 2005, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: toodamnhip ]</small>

[chrispick]

Originally posted by toodamnhip:
Hmm..I just don't understand why no ones understands. My debate is about proprietary systems versus native.

I got what you were saying. I think I addressed that issue in my first post.

But, you're right. Some responses are coming off a little -- let's just say "agitated."

[sdfalk]

As far as Pro Tools crashing/....

You all don;t have MY technician..crashing in Pro Tools is a NEVER with his set ups. But there ya go, maybe some Pro Tools set ups do crash which shows Pro Tools also is married to it's OS;..No Prob, this is about discussion

It is about discussion.
However don't expect to start a discussion like this without
some people seriously rolling there eyes.
Especially at "You all don't have my technician".
Geez.

[toodamnhip]

But it's true, my technicain makes systems that are amazing....what can I say...but I get yer point

[westla]

Maybe your should get a DP "tech" to make it as stable as PT for you.

I have to say I still don't really understand your point here. PT is not really a "propritary" system as compared to DP. Yes the the processing is done on a DSP card, but the software is still on the computer with the same "variables" that affect everything else.

I don't really want to get in the DP vs. PT debate you seem hell bent on starting, but for me DP has always been mare stable.

[toodamnhip]

Wow...do people read anymore....why would anyone think I have trouble with my DP system? I can almost see why a person with lazy comprehension would think it is a PT vrs DP debate but wow..over-all literacy is dissappointing me here.

I am not going to explain anymore, re read my posts carefully....those who do, will have accurate, sensible comments...Their literacy levels revealed by the comments they make.

This post has become emotional and error-laiden....

Yawn....

[westla]

I don't think it is a "literacy" problem, I think it's that your original post was redundant and didn't make much sense. (PT is good because it is proprietary - DP is bad because it is native)

Your contention that DP is less stable because it doesn't have a DSP card like a PT farm card is flawed. The problem is not that DP is using the computers power, but as you stated, it is the "variables" which effect all software.

Saying that PT will "always be more stable because it is proprietary" is plain wrong, as people have pointed out. All users have different results, but many users including me have found DP much more stable over the years (and right now) than PT.

ps. why would you install Microsoft Word on your studio computer if you are using it profssionally?

<small>[ April 18, 2005, 10:46 PM: Message edited by: westla ]</small>

[Shooshie]

Originally posted by toodamnhip:
Wow...do people read anymore....why would anyone think I have trouble with my DP system? I can almost see why a person with lazy comprehension would think it is a PT vrs DP debate but wow..over-all literacy is dissappointing me here.

I am not going to explain anymore, re read my posts carefully....those who do, will have accurate, sensible comments...Their literacy levels revealed by the comments they make.

This post has become emotional and error-laiden....

Yawn....

Gads. You're full of it Dave. Sounds more like you've got some ProTools agenda or something. You been hiding the old enchilada in Mr. ProTools' Main Out? Hey, that was a joke. Laugh. Ha. Ha. Where's the humor? That was perfectly accurate. Reread it and you'll see the accuracy.

First of all, most of us use DP because it IS native based. If we wanted an external DSP based DAW, we'd probably use ProTools. Why would anyone want to make DP anything but native-based? Secondly, DP has always been stable for those who take the time to eliminate the variables: configure their systems. If that's what you mean by eliminating variables, then you're right on the mark, because that's been standard operating procedure for as long as DP and Performer have been available.

Unless you're telling us that your whole intent upon posting was to make us laugh, then your apparent message -- eliminate variables, use external processing--is redundant and misdirected.

Your literacy level reveals you to be a troll. Sorry for wasting everyone's time responding to a troll.

Shooshie

[toodamnhip]

Yikes....I'm done.....tell you what..you're all right and I'm wrong...

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

[Shooshie]

Originally posted by toodamnhip:
Yikes....I'm done.....tell you what..you're all right and I'm wrong...

Zzzzzzzzzzzz

You might have had a good discussion if you'd first of all not tried to sound as if DP has a history of instability. It doesn't matter whether we're sensitive to it or not; that's just not true. Then you present us with a "great idea." DUH! That's how we've been making it stable for almost two decades, Dave. You're acting as if we don't "get it," when in fact we've gotten it for a good 18 years or so. It's kind of like saying "hey, MOTU ought to make a piece of software that records audio to hard disk! Is anyone here smart enough to understand what I'm saying?"

Then to top that off, you go off with "Shoe-she" and "Mrs. Motu," and other assorted crap, and expect everyone to back up and listen to you? Jerk.

Shooshie

[toodamnhip]

Did I mention you were right and I am wrong?..I hope so...yes indeed!
I will soon have my assistant post "jerk" and every other name on a declaration....let me know how to spell your name so I can give you the proper credit for putting me in my place....shall I post in the Mac section as well as DP?....

Send a list of websites too so I can hit them all in one shot...

We wouldn't want you to miss any credit do you for saving the masses from my wrath....

Take your time..I have nothing better to do..I'll wait...

<small>[ April 19, 2005, 12:19 AM: Message edited by: toodamnhip ]</small>

[willtompkins]

Hopeless.

[Rob Castiglione]

Re Pro Tools stability.

I have worked on two projects with OMFs imported into Protools in a sound studio. Result? Many crashes over the months we worked on the projects - some really major.

DP? Have only used it since beginning of the year. No crashes.

Rob