EWQLSO Goes 64-bit in July

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:42 pm

EW changed the upgrade pricing structure and folded the original NI license charge they wanted to charge for a 2nd time (enabling everyone to use their original Library via kontakt)
Some people such as myself felt like it was a double charge for a license we already paid for,so to shut us up they changed things a bit ,folded it in (raised the price marginally )but made it fairer for everyone.
So yes for some people who didn't care about keeping the original purchase operating with Kontakt ,the Play upgrade will indeed be a bit more costly.
Some people such as myself wanted to have the ability to use the library we already purchased running while we figured out the new library(1st runs aka 1.0 releases usually need some tweaks and upgrades,before they are totally functional)
EW has changed upgrade policies a few times mid stream and confused most of us.
We all hope this new EWQLSO Play upgrade works as advertised right out of the box!
KG

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:00 pm

Indeed--

Now, I'm concerned about what chucks has posted about SO-PLAY being released for the Mac only as 32-bit until a later date.

I'm certainly not going to spend two days installing another 32-bit version because the current version of Platinum Bundle XP can't be run easily on the machines I have as it is-- all because of the limited memory addressing.

I just hope I can install Plat Plus to get it registered without having to install the entire library right away because to reconfigure everything for something that won't work any better than what I have doesn't make any sense.

In the meantime, I'm going to up my eSATA situation and then explore the pros and cons of using 4GB sticks in my MacPro 3G Quad. Potentially, I could have 24GB-- if it will even work. I recall someone on the VSL forum using 4GB sticks in their G5, but that sounds way too good to be true.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:09 pm

from my understanding it will be 64 bit capable for Mac immediately(as standalone)their are no 64 bit Mac DAW's presently that I know of.
Windows will be 32 bit initially and 64 bit later.
I might be wrong on this but thats what I thought was stated.
EW seems to be good at keeping us all guessing??

KG

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:40 pm

kgdrum wrote:from my understanding it will be 64 bit capable for Mac immediately(as standalone)their are no 64 bit Mac DAW's presently that I know of.
Windows will be 32 bit initially and 64 bit later.
I might be wrong on this but thats what I thought was stated.
KG

It was just another one of those misleading blurbs. The new SO under PLAY will behave like FabFour will and not like it did under PLAY 1.0.45 and earlier. That's what I was originally afraid of, but it's all going to be fine.

With this statement---

**MAC 64-bit support will be available after release as a free download for all registered users.

EW omitted information regarding the limitations of 32-bit DAWs, which was their tacit point (just got a response a moment ago explaining it). But, the process of opening additional instances as they each reach the 3GB mark is the answer-- just as it is with FabFour where I had 40+ instances loaded with 8GB of physical RAM.

So now it's time to buy more RAM!!

Also noteworthy from the FAQ's:

We recommend loading up Play into multiple instances inside your host, set to "Stream From Disk" until you are nearing the limit of your host's Ram allotment, we don't recommend going over 3GB for stability reasons (you can verify this in the Activity Monitor utility). Once you are nearing this 3GB limit, start opening new instances and load the rest of your instruments into Ram by unchecking the "Stream From Disk" setting.

chaim · Post by **chaim** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:08 am

FYI: The mac version of PLAY is optimized for Intel macs. It is not optimized for the older Alti Vec technology in the older G5s and G4s. (PPC)

It works, of course, but poorly. Any one considering using the Play stuff seriously - loading a lot of samples - should not expect good results from a PPC mac - get an Intel.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:27 am

chaim wrote:FYI: The mac version of PLAY is optimized for Intel macs. It is not optimized for the older Alti Vec technology in the older G5s and G4s. (PPC)

It works, of course, but poorly. Any one considering using the Play stuff seriously - loading a lot of samples - should not expect good results from a PPC mac - get an Intel.

yeah I know eventually I will go Intel but not until the 8 core/Leopard issues are resolved..............

chaim · Post by **chaim** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 8:31 am

What issues?

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:00 am

Frodo wrote:
Yeah-- the 8-Core issues are more troubling than many expected. While some issues are indeed DP-related where VI prerendering and certain AU protocols won't appear until DP6 arrives, a recent chat with my trusted music merchant who is also an authorized Mac dealer confirmed many suspicions about what's going on with the 8-Core and all Macs running OSX are due to a variety gaffes with Apple's approach.

While Snow Leopard will add what Leopard should have had anyway, the fact that the hurdles have prevented even Apple from getting Logic 8 into true 64-bit addressing implies a rather grim reality. Add to this the fact that Apple appears to be dropping PPC support for Snow Leopard and you have a violently mixed blessing in the works.

the fact is many people are having all sorts of issues with 2008 intel macs
but it might also be leopard issues,it is hard to pinpoint the source of the actual problems.
Apple announcing snow leopard shows there are serious issues they need to address to get things working properly.
for now I am very happy staying in PPC land with Tiger and less horse power,until the dust settles.

KG

chaim · Post by **chaim** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:12 am

Thanks.

It's a never ending catch-up race.

labman · Post by **labman** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:20 am

Can an 8 core be run on tiger? 10.4.11? We got a quad 2.66 in Dec and erased leopard and installed tiger instead, and it works just fine.

Regards,
DLevy
mgr, Legacy Lab

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:21 am

chaim wrote:FYI: The mac version of PLAY is optimized for Intel macs. It is not optimized for the older Alti Vec technology in the older G5s and G4s. (PPC)

It works, of course, but poorly. Any one considering using the Play stuff seriously - loading a lot of samples - should not expect good results from a PPC mac - get an Intel.

hi Chaim:
are you using play w/ a ppc and if so what mac and how much ram and how are your hd's setup?
(I love signatures:)
thanks
KG

chaim · Post by **chaim** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:27 am

kgdrum wrote:
chaim wrote:FYI: The mac version of PLAY is optimized for Intel macs. It is not optimized for the older Alti Vec technology in the older G5s and G4s. (PPC)

It works, of course, but poorly. Any one considering using the Play stuff seriously - loading a lot of samples - should not expect good results from a PPC mac - get an Intel.
hi Chaim:
are you using play w/ a ppc and if so what mac and how much ram and how are your hd's setup?

Original G5 2X2 Ghz 6 GB RAM Internal SATA drives.

kgdrum · Post by **kgdrum** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:32 am

separate drives for boot(app),samples and tracks? = 3 sata drives?
thanks

chaim · Post by **chaim** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:51 am

Correct, separate drives for system/apps, EW samples and projects.

But not all are SATA. System is SATA, Tracks and Play are FW 800 each but I have tested the EW Play stuff off a second internal SATA HD with the same results as the FW 800.

Kubi · Post by **Kubi** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:13 am

labman wrote:Can an 8 core be run on tiger? 10.4.11? We got a quad 2.66 in Dec and erased leopard and installed tiger instead, and it works just fine.

Regards,
DLevy
mgr, Legacy Lab

That's the last version that can run Tiger, AFAIK. The January 2008 crop needs Leo.

So far I'm thankfully still waiting for any 'issues' with my new 8-core MacPro... hoping it stays that way.