Just installed DP 5.13... 2 Problems (Solved)

rainmaker · Post by **rainmaker** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:05 pm

Hello,

I just installed DP 5.13 on my new MacPro Quad 2.66. Everything is fine except for two issues. Note: this was a standard install off of the install disk and then upgrade to 5.13 from the update off of Motu's website.

1) The default plugin list that comes with DP is not there. I'm talking about all the plugins that come with DP like MasterWorks, ParaEQ, etc... They just aren't in the plugin list. Anybody know where these might have gone?

2) My Mackie Control surface doesn't work. It will not let me add a Mackie Control surface driver in the Control Surface Setup window. I click on the plus button and, nothing... I checked to see if the mackiecontrol.bundle plugin is in the control surface plugin folder and it is there. I noticed that it says version 1.3 (PowerPC). I wonder if this could be a problem with Intel. Although didn't DP 5.13 install the correct UB driver for the control surfaces?

Anyways, if anyone can help with these two problems, I wold be eternally grateful.

Thanks,
Rainmaker

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Mon May 05, 2008 9:38 pm

Did You update all the MIDI and/or audio drivers off the motu site as well.

I know they updated there MIDI drivers recently

rainmaker · Post by **rainmaker** » Mon May 05, 2008 10:38 pm

Yes, I did install all the latest PCIe 424 drivers as well as the MIDI Drivers for my MTP AV USB. Do those installs have something to do with either of these issues?

Thanks,
Rainmaker

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Mon May 05, 2008 11:16 pm

Sorry I ment the motu MIDI drivers.

You have repaired permissions etc etc ...

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue May 06, 2008 12:14 am

Timeline had this problem in Leopard.

I think MOTU sent him a whole new disc because for some reason the plugins were corrupted on install.

You could try downloading a fresh copy of the installer-- no telling when/where/how it might have gone awry. Uninstall everything and reinstall with the fresh copy.

tribalut · Post by **tribalut** » Tue May 06, 2008 3:13 am

rainmaker wrote:Hello,

I just installed DP 5.13 on my new MacPro Quad 2.66. Everything is fine except for two issues. Note: this was a standard install off of the install disk and then upgrade to 5.13 from the update off of Motu's website.

1) The default plugin list that comes with DP is not there. I'm talking about all the plugins that come with DP like MasterWorks, ParaEQ, etc... They just aren't in the plugin list. Anybody know where these might have gone?

2) My Mackie Control surface doesn't work. It will not let me add a Mackie Control surface driver in the Control Surface Setup window. I click on the plus button and, nothing... I checked to see if the mackiecontrol.bundle plugin is in the control surface plugin folder and it is there. I noticed that it says version 1.3 (PowerPC). I wonder if this could be a problem with Intel. Although didn't DP 5.13 install the correct UB driver for the control surfaces?

Anyways, if anyone can help with these two problems, I wold be eternally grateful.

Thanks,
Rainmaker

Hello
For the plugin list you must install the 5.12 version first then the 5.13.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue May 06, 2008 3:29 am

I'm not sure if it's a total oversight on MOTU's part, but with 5.13 being the first official version for Leopard, it's strange to think that a previous install of an otherwise incompatible version of DP would be required. Maybe it's a non-issue for those who updated Tiger but for those who put Leopard on a new partition or a new drive, MOTU might have included an alert with the 5.13 installer to inform the user of this exception.

Sure, the download page says a previous install is required, but there was no official indication that a previous install would be supported in Leopard.

One thing which may have saved some users was an eagerness to test 5.11 or 5.12 in Leopard in advance of the release of 5.13.

rainmaker · Post by **rainmaker** » Tue May 06, 2008 11:41 am

Hmmm, I will definitely try that. Can I just download the 5.12 version and then install it over the 5.13 version, then install 5.13 again after that. Or do I need to somehow erase 5.13 first?

Also, I haven't had any luck with the mackie driver either. Maybe 5.12 will correct that issue as well.

Thanks,
Rainmaker

beppe · Post by **beppe** » Tue May 06, 2008 11:57 am

rainmaker is right, I tried many times to install dp 5.13 on Mac Pro, but the complete list of plugs is ok only after the previous installation of 5.11 or 5.12.

rainmaker · Post by **rainmaker** » Tue May 06, 2008 1:59 pm

Thanks for all the help. I am very happy to report that by downloading and installing the 5.12 update and then re-installing the 5.13 update, both my problems are solved. And possibly some other ones that Imay have not even known about.

All the plugs are where they should be, my Mackie Control units were setup in about two minutes and life is good again.

Motu should really put a warning on their download page under the DP 5.13 listing regarding Leopard users installing DP for the first time an that machine. DO NOT jump directly from the original install disc to 5.13.

Original install disc > 5.12 Updater > 5.13 Updater > DP Bliss!

Of course now I'm wondering if I missed anything by not installing the 5.1 installer along the way???

Thanks again,
Rainmaker

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Tue May 06, 2008 5:56 pm

No 5.1 would have been on the disk.

You are now complete and are headed for DP bliss

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Wed May 07, 2008 5:47 am

Er... MOTU already has that warning - each update since the 5.0 base has specified that you need an authorised version of the previous incarnation installed first; that's a big bunch of updates (5.01, 5.1, 5.11, 5.12).

Frodo wrote:I'm not sure if it's a total oversight on MOTU's part, but with 5.13 being the first official version for Leopard, it's strange to think that a previous install of an otherwise incompatible version of DP would be required.

Not a problem at all, Hobby. The way the installer works could be the reason anyway.
I simply didn't run DP until the Leo update was complete; only then did I fire DP up and auth it.

FWIW, why would one want to run DP until the update that's Leo-compatible is installed anyway?
Perhaps MOTU could have issued a warning alongside each update not to run DP in Leo until 5.13 is installed.
Also, if one did accidentally fire her up, if it was 5.11 one would probably be OK for a short stint, as we've discovered in these parts.

Frodo wrote:Timeline had this problem in Leopard.

I think MOTU sent him a whole new disc because for some reason the plugins were corrupted on install..

Yeah, but he could also have wiped, reinstalled DP 5.0 or 5.1 and the subsequent updates without opening DP (just to be safe) until he hit 5.13.

I've done this on a number of partitions and the "theory" has proved sound.
Although MOTU specifies auth'd versions as update requirements, I've found one can forgo the procedure until the desired update is reached.

rainmaker · Post by **rainmaker** » Wed May 07, 2008 11:06 am

OK, so my question now is should I go back and reinstall every version until 5.13? My instal disk has version 5.01 on it. So I went from 5.01 > 5.12 > 5.13. Everything seems to be working ok but now I'm paranoid that I may run into some weird issues later on.

I never did the 5.1 or 5.11 upgrade?

And if I were to go back and install every one, would I need to delete anything first or just start updating until I'm back to 5.13? When I went back and did the 5.12 update I didn't delete 5.13 first. I just installed the 5.12, then the 5.13 and everything worked fine.

Thanks,
Rainmaker

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Wed May 07, 2008 12:59 pm

rainmaker wrote:OK, so my question now is should I go back and reinstall every version until 5.13? My instal disk has version 5.01 on it. So I went from 5.01 > 5.12 > 5.13. Everything seems to be working ok but now I'm paranoid that I may run into some weird issues later on.

I never did the 5.1 or 5.11 upgrade?

And if I were to go back and install every one, would I need to delete anything first or just start updating until I'm back to 5.13? When I went back and did the 5.12 update I didn't delete 5.13 first. I just installed the 5.12, then the 5.13 and everything worked fine.

Thanks,
Rainmaker

It sounds like you've nailed it. 5.11 OR 5.12 might have been enough to jump start 5.13. I wouldn't bother with previous versions.

Monkey Man wrote: Er... MOTU already has that warning - each update since the 5.0 base has specified that you need an authorised version of the previous incarnation installed first; that's a big bunch of updates (5.01, 5.1, 5.11, 5.12).

Frodo wrote: I'm not sure if it's a total oversight on MOTU's part, but with 5.13 being the first official version for Leopard, it's strange to think that a previous install of an otherwise incompatible version of DP would be required.
Not a problem at all, Hobby. The way the installer works could be the reason anyway.
I simply didn't run DP until the Leo update was complete; only then did I fire DP up and auth it.

FWIW, why would one want to run DP until the update that's Leo-compatible is installed anyway?
Perhaps MOTU could have issued a warning alongside each update not to run DP in Leo until 5.13 is installed.
Also, if one did accidentally fire her up, if it was 5.11 one would probably be OK for a short stint, as we've discovered in these parts.

Yes, Nicky-- that was my whole point. The blurb on MOTU's site seems fine for those who are updating on the same Tiger drive where a previous version of DP is already running.

But for someone installing DP in Leopard for the first time, there is an inherent catch-22: 5.13 is the "first" official Leo version-- but there is no "official" previous install for Leopard even though a previous install is required.

In any case, as long as we have the solution we don't really have the problem.

theprez · Post by **theprez** » Wed May 07, 2008 6:00 pm

I had the same problem (no plugs, instruments, 3rd party plugs, etc), but I drug them over from a backup to the Library/Audio/Plugins folder and they all seem to be working.

I've been slowly climbing back from the hell that ensued when I simultaneously updated EFI Firmware 1.5.1, installed MOTU Electric Keys, and upped to DP5.1.3.

Couldn't even play a single soundbite, let alone record audio. Took a full Archive and Install OSX restore, which took a bunch of other stuff out.
Yikes

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