Alternatives for new MAC buyers with issues :)

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:55 pm

http://www.psystar.com/index.php?&page= ... &Itemid=72

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:02 pm

You gotta be kidding.

Right???????

(I see the smilie but I'm not sure)

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:10 pm

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08 ... terms.html

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:15 pm

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27867

fwiw.

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 9:17 pm

Did you see this thread?

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27867

Basically some guy is cobbling together OSX86 Hackintoshes as far as I can tell. Seriously doubt any court is going to overturn Apple's EULA.

I would guess you'll see plenty of "issues" with a Hackintosh.

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FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:46 pm

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Man, and apparently, there's not too much Apple can do about this... check this out:

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/news/2 ... le_psystar

But what's written in the very last paragraph on the first page can't be right..... errrrrr.... right?

Or is that one of those absurd law holes that fail to protect what they were "designed" to protect?

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:40 am

FMiguelez wrote:.

Man, and apparently, there's not too much Apple can do about this... check this out:

http://www.wired.com/gadgets/mac/news/2 ... le_psystar

But what's written in the very last paragraph on the first page can't be right..... errrrrr.... right?

Or is that one of those absurd law holes that fail to protect what they were "designed" to protect?

Honestly, this is a great thing and I hope Apple loses.
If they lose I would think that it would force Apple to "think more differently" and come up with even greater way's to improve their next CPU offering.
They had to know that that cloning would eventually be an issue once they decided to go all Intel. To me the lawsuit is just a means of trying to trip up the competition. For us consumers, a $400 Mac Clone is a great 2nd, 3rd etc. machine to run VI's on.

Or make a great first computer for our kids etc.

It might force Apple to drop prices on Mac Mini's and iMacs

So if they lose, we the consumer win!

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:09 am

kwiz wrote: Honestly, this is a great thing and I hope Apple loses.<snip> For us consumers, a $400 Mac Clone is a great 2nd, 3rd etc. machine to run VI's on. Or make a great first computer for our kids etc.

It might force Apple to drop prices on Mac Mini's and iMacs
So if they lose, we the consumer win!

I am not quite sure how Apple can be 'forced' to change the EULA on software that it has developed. Can MOTU be 'forced" to provide its excellent firewire audio driver for other manufacturers? Dunno. . .

Sorry to be a downer, but poke around some of the OSX86 (OSX on 86) forums. I doubt these machines are "trouble free" in a production environment.

When DP is not working properly, what will MOTU techsupport say when you tell them your configuration?

"Sorry DP is only supported on Apple computers, not Hackintoshes."

Buyers are going to have to hope that "open computer" is gonna be around to provide "patches" or else buyers will be in for a world of hassles.

This is not the Mac Experience. This is the Hackintosh Experience.

Dwetmaster · Post by **Dwetmaster** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:12 am

Ok guys, then let me ask this question:

WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT: THE MAC OR OSX?

I don't know if I would trust anything else than a Mac IMHO

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:24 am

FYI from the psystar forum:

http://www.psystar.com/_fireboard/view/12/4.html

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Any Mac Applications Tested?
Has anyone tested Mac applications yet? Browsers like Safari and Firefox? Music apps like Logic, Sibelius, Pro Tools, etc?

As much fun as the OS is I'd like to run some apps too!

Re:Any Mac Applications Tested? by admin
Browsers: Safari, Firefox, Opera
all tested and operational

High-end media editing:
as of yet untested and unconfirmed

Image editing: Adobe CS3
tested and operational

Most applications work but Psystar cannot guarantee full functionality of or support by the application authors for every single application. As applications are tested they will be posted in the FAQ.

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Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:33 am

Dwetmaster wrote:Ok guys, then let me ask this question:

WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT: THE MAC OR OSX?

I don't know if I would trust anything else than a Mac IMHO

It's just that I don't want to fool with getting all the right parts so that they all work together like a Mac. I watched my son build a PC from scratch, and it was pretty amazing how involved it became. One little error -- wrong part, wrong driver, etc.l -- and the whole thing became a piece of crap. What we both learned from the experience is that we're pretty lucky that Apple does all that for us, and that the final result is really a "Macintosh." On the other hand, I must admit that one of my finest "Macs" was a Motorola StarMax 5500. (Mac clone) It was really a lot better than the Apple offerings of the time. At that time, I was using NO Apple hardware. But after Steve came back, I couldn't wait to get back into the circle, so I bought a dual G4, and I've been all-Apple ever since. I just want to stay with Apple, if for no other reason than it pleases me. I've got a pile of old Macs in my warehouse. They're kind of cute!

Shooshie

emulatorloo · Post by **emulatorloo** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:04 am

I had two of the licensed clones -- A Daystar something or other, and a Supermac S900. Both were great machines. ( I STILL HAVE THEM!!!!!)

The difference between those and the "open computer" is that they were licensed and Apple had a hand in the hardware design. OS 9 was certified to run on those machines. THe majority of software vendors tested and supported their apps on those machines.

Like Apple Macs, those machines "Just Worked" and provided the true mac experience.

"open computer" is a whole 'nother ball of wax. It is a DIY windows box with "patches" that allow OS X to run -- no guarentee of compatibility, enter at your own risk.

OK I WILL SHUT UP NOW>>>>>>>>>>>

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Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:38 am

Emu

Yes indeed you guys sused why it may not be such a great idea.

Thanks...

FMiguelez · Post by **FMiguelez** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:31 pm

.

Like it has been said, we have enough worries of keeping our normal systems bug free, and sometimes we fail with real Macs. Would you guys actually invest so much time into making any of these hacks work??

I read on one of those forums that a few people kind of regreted all their effort when they realized it was just too much trouble with too little success...

There's nothing like a real Mac. Just looking at them is inspiring

To me 50% of the whole Mac-experience comes from the box, and the other 50% from the OS. Well, the apps that run under OS are the best, actually... like DP

kwiz · Post by **kwiz** » Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:46 pm

emulatorloo wrote:
kwiz wrote:
It might force Apple to drop prices on Mac Mini's and iMacs
So if they lose, we the consumer win!
Sorry to be a downer, but poke around some of the OSX86 (OSX on 86) forums. I doubt these machines are "trouble free" in a production environment.

When DP is not working properly, what will MOTU techsupport say when you tell them your configuration?

"Sorry DP is only supported on Apple computers, not Hackintoshes."

Buyers are going to have to hope that "open computer" is gonna be around to provide "patches" or else buyers will be in for a world of hassles.

This is not the Mac Experience. This is the Hackintosh Experience.

Very true and performance and compatibility issues are yet to be seen.
If all is well, I could see using one as a standalone VI machine. I already use a dual 1.8 G5 for this purpose, but being able to upgrade that to a $700-$900 Intel tower would be something to consider. I know I can do the same thing with a Mac Mini but they have expandability limitations.

FMiguelez wrote:.
There's nothing like a real Mac. Just looking at them is inspiring
To me 50% of the whole Mac-experience comes from the box, and the other 50% from the OS. Well, the apps that run under OS are the best, actually... like DP

Honestly, like I originally posted , I just hope the competition forces Apple to drop prices on some of their computers. For instance a $495 Mac Mini fully blown out would be worth getting for a VI only machine even with its expandability limitations. I would absolutely prefer to keep my system all Mac but hey, things change and sometimes change is good.