Decent but lower priced mics for drum overheads

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duncan wrote:What you have to consider when buying mics is, are you in it for the long haul, or are you going to stop recording in a couple of years and give everything away? If you're in it for the long haul, buying cheap mics is money down the drain. Buying mics you're still going to be using ten years from now makes a lot more sense.
I both agree and disagree. One also has to balance one's ability to pay for a product at the time. It's a lot more complicated then simply "all or nothing". For all artists, there's a certain amount of "getting by with what you can use", especially hobbiests (which I currently would fall into the category of)... but even professionals as well. Everyone has a budget. Currently, I have a SM57 and a Beta58 and I need a pair of condensers. I tend to research long and hard before I make any purchase. I'm not made of money, and I have many other expendatures. So, I could hold off getting mics for a while, but I may also risk losing opportunities, in the meantime, that may open up new doors. I have to balance that. The fact is, a cheap condenser is going to be worlds better than what I've got now, and for my current situation, the difference between a B1 and a high end AKG or Neumann isn't worth the price.

There's no cuttoff between a cheap product and an expensive product, it's all a continuum. And sometimes, you really DON'T get what you pay for, either: many times you're paying for prestige or name recognition, or some additional features you don't need.

I had a sound guy at one point, who flat out told me that pre-amps weren't worth buying if they were less than around $1000 a piece. His experience was in micing concert halls and large auditoriums... but he was unable to see past his own situation to mine (home studio). By his logic, almost all studios in this state aren't worth anything.

All purchases are money down the toilet, at some level, they all get old and dimish in value, the question is... is the money/pleasure/experience that you'll get with it, in the meantime, worth owning it? Everyone has to figure that one out for themselves, under their own situations.

I was so broke during college, that I had to get by with a couple altec-lancing computer speakers. Everyone else told me I was a complete dumbass for buying them... but you know what? As crappy as they were, they got me by when I needed SOMETHING, and I don't regret that purchase one bit.

All I'm saying is, while I understand your advice, you gotta be carefull about understanding the situation and budgetary concerns of the people you're advising.
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Sorry for the double post, but I did want to ask this.

Someone mentioned Oktava mics, and I've seen that name come up a bit. But I can't seem to find them anywhere. Will someone give me some specifics on where to find these mics for the prices people are telling me. Also, are they large diaphram or not?
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I highly recommend these Oktava MK 012 or MC 012 mics.

I'm not really sure what the difference is.
I have some of both, and they appear to be identical in looks and sound.
These are small diaphragm mics.
Don't ever let someone tell you that small diaphragm mics
don't have the "warmth" compared to their larger counterparts.

Large diaphragm microphones are wonderful as are small diaphragm mics. It will always boil down to what you have to choose from and what the sound source is, not to mention the distance that the sound source is to the mic.

I use these for just about everything.
Strings, woodwinds, brass, percussion, drum overheads, choirs.

They sound wonderful. They are also nice and quiet. I would also recommend that you stay away from most of the other Oktava mics,
they are, well,...... poo poo. :)

I own Neumann, AKG and Schoeps mics.
These Russian made microphones are phenominal quality and are worth much more than what they cost, especially compared to what other microphone manufacturers charge.

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Post by wurliuchi »

Budget or not, one of my choices is Audio-Technica AT4041s for overheads. I use them in a spaced pair most of the time. I go back to that time and time again. It just sounds right to me. They're also good for recording acoustic guitar.
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The problem with Oktava's is that while they innitially started at around $100, it's now almost impossible to find them at less than $250 a piece, or maybe $475 for a pair, due to demand. They inched up, pricewise, pretty drastically. Also, there have been major issues with chinese knockoffs (the MC-012), and the primary distributer losing some legal battles. They're very difficult to find except through the eBay store, and there they are about $500 for a pair, which is a bit more than I'm looking to spend at this point.

Also, I'm looking for a pair of mics that could also double as vocal mics, so a large diaphram would be preferable. If I could find a pair of Oktava's for the price that they started out at (around $250 for a pair), I'd probably go that route, since they're better mics, but I don't think I can quite afford them at this point the way things look now.
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The Oktava's have indeed gone way up because everyone knows they are well worth the price.

I bought most of mine for 99 bucks each.... what a steal.
One of these Oktava 012 mics will work beautifully as a vocal mic for studio use as long as you have a good wind screen (popper stopper) or something similar.

Just because "everyone" uses large diaphragm mics for studio vocals, does not mean you can't use a small diaphragm mic and still get awesome results.

The Chinese knock offs are a thing of the past.
The mics being sold at recording services are Russian made. (the good ones)

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Good good. Yeah, I've got a good pop screen. Its a bit heavy, and tends to slide down the mic stand, but it's done wonders to my sound. I've been recording on a Beta58 up til now, and I've been able to get "decent" results with some EQing, but it's probably time for a condenser.

Unfortunately, there's still the price issue, so I'm leaning slightly toward a pair of Studio Projects B1s... since I've heard they work very well, too.
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With a great mic usually no EQ is needed.
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