NAMM REPORT (2nd hand): DP SIX!!!!!!!

bjornln · Post by **bjornln** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 12:55 pm

twistedtom wrote: bjornln I just got EZD and love it.

Did you get a chance to look at DFH 2.0 ?

/B

Talcott · Post by **Talcott** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 1:19 pm

Phil Jeffers wrote:
DP has some of the best documentation.
I don't agree - the DP 5 manual skims over a lot of sections that I think it could pay far more attention to... and the Help drop down is somewhat of a joke.

This is just an opinion! Please don't crucify me for saying anything bad about Digital Performer!!!!

I'll be going from 4.61 to 6 soo I missed 5...

Phil Jeffers · Post by **Phil Jeffers** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:21 pm

Talcott wrote:
Phil Jeffers wrote:
DP has some of the best documentation.
I don't agree - the DP 5 manual skims over a lot of sections that I think it could pay far more attention to... and the Help drop down is somewhat of a joke.

This is just an opinion! Please don't crucify me for saying anything bad about Digital Performer!!!!

I'll be going from 4.61 to 6 soo I missed 5...

I'm sure the upgrade cost will be the same... (at least here in Oz)

Phil Jeffers · Post by **Phil Jeffers** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 2:24 pm

Shooshie wrote:
Phil Jeffers wrote:
DP has some of the best documentation.
I don't agree - the DP 5 manual skims over a lot of sections that I think it could pay far more attention to... and the Help drop down is somewhat of a joke.

This is just an opinion! Please don't crucify me for saying anything bad about Digital Performer!!!!

I've got the pitchforks, guys; you get the lanterns and ropes! AFTER HIM!

Shooshie

PS: which pitchforks does an angry music mob use, anyway? I've got "A's" and "Bb's". Will those do?

LOL! What key stirs up the biggest mob mentality???

How about the ultra sub-sonic brown tone••¦ oh, let••™s not go there!

IAMLFO · Post by **IAMLFO** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:51 pm

This has been a great thread for several reasons. Seeing how people react in the positive or negative towards the update and the manual demonstrates how differently we all think and work. I moved to a Mac about 5 months ago and have been using both DP5 and Logic 8. Being a former Cubase user I found Logic to be much more intuitive than DP. However, once I got into the mindset of DP I quickly saw the merits of the program. A nice hybrid application with strong points from each would be killer. This application would include:

DP Sequencer View
DP VStacks
DP MIDI Editing
Logic VIs and Effects
Logic UI (Yes, flame on, I said UI. I like the Logic UI. DP makes me squint too much.)
Logic Channel Strips

I could go on, but the point is made. No app is perfect, so you use each for its strong points. Currently I use Logic for pop/electronic music and DP for orchestral work. Over time that will probably change.

The DP upgrade looks great, I would really like to see videos to get a better view of what the UI update is. MOTU as a company seems to be a fighter that has succeeded despite huge challanges. I'm a fan of their software and hardware and wish them great success for many years to come.

-Kevin

paulhurt · Post by **paulhurt** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 3:59 pm

Maybe someone has already picked up on this (I haven't read all 35 pages of this thread) but I've been dreaming of this all year... and MOTU have read my mind.

Plug-in management. You can launch DP6, and at launch time, tell it which plug-ins you want active, and which you want DP to ignore.

Which finally means I can launch DP on my laptop without having the Waves iLok in place. Okay, that means I can't use my Waves plugs, but if I'm doing basic tracking, I don't need them. I would prefer not to take my iLok out of the house when I'm recording, because if you lose it, it's game over, to the tune of a few thousand dollars. Plus it's very breakable, it uses up a USB port, etc, etc. And it's yet another thing to remember to get out of a case and plug in.

The UI redesign is enormously welcome too. Consistent zooming techniques in every window... about time. Hope they've chosen sensible keyboard modifiers for zoom in/out and the "page grabber", because that might get my efficiency with DP back up to Opcode Vision levels! Even after six years with DP, I still miss how fast I used to be able to get around Vision.

Thank you MOTU. I'm very excited about DP6.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:08 pm

paulhurt wrote:Maybe someone has already picked up on this••¦Plug-in management.

Yea, that's one I've been wanting too. Certainly more handy than doing it manually or with AU Manager. I hope it works on a project level, rather than globally.

paulhurt wrote:Hope they've chosen sensible keyboard modifiers for zoom in/out••¦

I doubt these have changed. I think command-arrows are pretty sensible already, no?

zed · Post by **zed** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:54 pm

blue wrote:I hope it works on a project level, rather than globally.

Yes, me too. You don't want to open up a project which uses a disabled plugin, have to reactiveate it, and then quit and relaunch DP in order to use it again within that project. I would assume that it will NOT work like this... which does suggest some significant code rewriting, because it means that DP is no longer going to launch the plugins BEFORE a project is selected, but will wait, instead, and load them with a project.

Rainman · Post by **Rainman** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:58 pm

paulhurt wrote:
might get my efficiency with DP back up to Opcode Vision levels! Even after six years with DP, I still miss how fast I used to be able to get around Vision.

Thank you MOTU. I'm very excited about DP6.

I hear you Paul, I love DP and look forward to 6, but man could I navigate fast in Vision. My choice of Digital Performer was because it was the most Vision-like.

Rainman

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:45 pm

frankymax wrote:oh, I forgot a biggie (at least for me)- you will be able to burn a CD directly from DP without having to use another app; and it will create tracks based on markers or soundbites- very nice!

I wonder about this..
Does anyone know if you will be able to differentiate between markers for personal file use and markers that get written to the cd ?

I see a need for both.

I will need to make both markers for IN SESSION usage and markers for CD tracks...

bralston · Post by **bralston** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:01 pm

toodamnhip wrote:
frankymax wrote:oh, I forgot a biggie (at least for me)- you will be able to burn a CD directly from DP without having to use another app; and it will create tracks based on markers or soundbites- very nice!
I wonder about this..
Does anyone know if you will be able to differentiate between markers for personal file use and markers that get written to the cd ?

I see a need for both.

I will need to make both markers for IN SESSION usage and markers for CD tracks...

The markers are the track indexes and the name of the markers/tracks get embedded as track names in the CD text feature on the audio CD.

just open a new sequence, copy all the audio files onto one stereo track in order...with the proper space between them and burn/bounce that to CD.

It is really a feature to use DP as a mastering tool in separate mastering sequences.

bralston · Post by **bralston** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:13 pm

zed wrote:
blue wrote:I hope it works on a project level, rather than globally.
Yes, me too. You don't want to open up a project which uses a disabled plugin, have to reactivate it, and then quit and relaunch DP in order to use it again within that project. I would assume that it will NOT work like this... which does suggest some significant code rewriting, because it means that DP is no longer going to launch the plugins BEFORE a project is selected, but will wait, instead, and load them with a project.

They said that it is still being worked out exactly how it will work, but in theory, they were looking at there being a global preference that DP will use to launch the program and look for a certain set of plug-ins every time. This could be to look for everything...or nothing, etc....

You can then spend some time creating different plug-in profiles or preferences for different situations.

If you ever need to change your "typical" DP Launching and loading sequence of plug-ins, you would just hold down some sort of key combination when DP launches and it would take you to a selection window where you can choose one of your other plug-in profiles...and it would then launch that one time loading only the plug-ins checked off in that preference profile.

how I would see using it is...

...I would set in the DP preferences to open every time loading every plug-in. The create two other plug-in profiles. One with no plug-ins loaded...and another to load every plug-in that is NOT an ilok plug. Then Dp will load everything every time. And when you want to load DP without the ilok plugs because you are without the ilok on a day...then just hold the key combo at start-up and choose that profile. Or...if you want to track and don't need any plugs loaded for a session...do the same thing selecting that profile on DP launch. Etc...

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:23 pm

bralston wrote:
toodamnhip wrote:
frankymax wrote:oh, I forgot a biggie (at least for me)- you will be able to burn a CD directly from DP without having to use another app; and it will create tracks based on markers or soundbites- very nice!
I wonder about this..
Does anyone know if you will be able to differentiate between markers for personal file use and markers that get written to the cd ?

I see a need for both.

I will need to make both markers for IN SESSION usage and markers for CD tracks...
The markers are the track indexes and the name of the markers/tracks get embedded as track names in the CD text feature on the audio CD.

just open a new sequence, copy all the audio files onto one stereo track in order...with the proper space between them and burn/bounce that to CD.

It is really a feature to use DP as a mastering tool in separate mastering sequences.

It would be easier to have two kinds of markers, one that shows in a cd, one that doesnt, or, be able to ear mark which of one's markers get embedded in the cd

toodamnhip · Post by **toodamnhip** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:41 pm

blue wrote:
bradswan wrote:••¦now I'm wondering how much CPU it's gonna take to power all these new features.
Some of the new features seem to address CPU consumption, at least for some users. If VI pre-rendering works as advertised, I would be a happy camper. That, in conjunction with effect pre-rendering, could make DP pretty light on its heels.

Also, I have to wonder if the redesigned interface is a sign that MOTU has undergone a code overhaul. I haven't seen it yet ••“ the changes could be superficial ••“ but it sounds unlikely they could redo the GUI without getting their hands seriously dirty.

Then there is support for native formats other than SD2, non-realtime VI bouncing and AU side-chaining. All this leads me to believe MAS has undergone some serious surgery.

If DP did indeed re write basic code for more efficiency, lets hope no 3rd party stuff breaks as did waves...

it is an amazing tug of war that happens at times when one company "thinks of a better way" and such implimentations break 3rd party plugs...

Lets hope the side chain support of AU is a sign of care in the world of 3rd party plugs and that nothing breaks again..seems like waves is finally stable

jayof9 · Post by **jayof9** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:52 pm

I can't wait for this update. My band is in the studio right now and it looks like we will get to mix the album with DP 6. We use markers a lot and it looks like they will play a big role in this update.

Swooshie, didi I hear you right? Didi you say video tutorials? You have a deep understanding of the program and have helped me out on many occasions so count me in. That is also big news!

BTW: Every-time I upgrade, I get sent the manuals and the disks in a parcel box. Is this standard for the DP updates? I kinda would like to have the Box artwork of all the versions so I can display my heritage proudly, but that's no biggie.

MOTU Rules!!!!