NAMM REPORT (2nd hand): DP SIX!!!!!!!

Dubnick · Post by **Dubnick** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:14 pm

zed wrote: and nor would I expect that they haven't been addressed.

Well, I would be psyched if they were, but if the best means of predicting future behavior is to examine past behavior, consider this: the drum editor bug has as old as the drum editor itself, is well, well documented on this board and others and has been reported directly to tech support by myself and others. Unfortunately, I'd say the safe bet would be that many of such bugs will remain unfixed and barely acknowledged by MOTU. Also, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect a bug fix list for each new release - it's a minimal effort that would go some ways in assuring DP users that there is some attention paid to ongoing issues.

Dubnick · Post by **Dubnick** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:14 pm

zed wrote: and nor would I expect that they haven't been addressed.

Well, I would be psyched if they were, but if the best means of predicting future behavior is to examine past behavior, consider this: the drum editor bug has as old as the drum editor itself, is well, well documented on this board and others and has been reported directly to tech support by myself and others. Unfortunately, I'd say the safe bet would be that many of such bugs will remain unfixed and barely acknowledged by MOTU, but hey, I'd love to be surprised and proven wrong in my assumption. Also, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect a bug fix list for each new release - it's a minimal effort that would go some ways in assuring DP users that there is some attention paid to ongoing issues.

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:20 pm

Regarding bug fix lists and such, I don't see bug fix lists for the initial releases of new versions of audio software. Did Apple release a bug fix list at the initial release of Logic 8? Not saying Apple did or didn't, but I never saw it...

I mean, how can you issue a bug fix list for an initial release? That's contradictory. Bug fixes apply to subsequent releases of a new version.

When DP6 comes out, I don't think it will work 100% on everyone's system everywhere in the world. There are bound to be issues because there are so many different configurations of hardware and software. That's just the normal odds whenever a new version of anything is released. If I ran a software company, I certainly wouldn't guarantee the software to work on every system everywhere. I'd wait until the bug reports came in and address those as best I could.

As far as Leopard vs. Tiger compatability - I estimate it will work fine on both of those, all things being equal. Heck, I have apps that were released during the Jaguar days and never updated that still work fine in Tiger. Tiger is pretty solid, it's Leopard that is still getting its kinks worked out.

zed · Post by **zed** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:24 pm

Dubnick wrote:Also, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect a bug fix list for each new release - it's a minimal effort that would go some ways in assuring DP users that there is some attention paid to ongoing issues.

I completely agree, and I hope that maybe THAT will be another one of the improvements that they make with this release. If they really are paying attention to this forum, then hopefully they will do a better job of addressing these issues.

Dubnick wrote:Unfortunately, I'd say the safe bet would be that many of such bugs will remain unfixed and barely acknowledged by MOTU.

I prefer to be more optimistic. No need to rain on the parade until the lightning starts flashing.

Dubnick · Post by **Dubnick** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:27 pm

Digidesign release bug fix lists for every update, as do Apple (Late Breaking News document), and I believe, so does Cakewalk. Most plug-in manufactures do too. Whether those companies use bug fix lists on initial version releases is a valid question. MOTU doesn't release bug fix lists for any updates. I don't think this is too much to ask, in fact, it seems to be standard practice for both those companies that take a proactive approach to tech support (Digidesign, FXpansion, Cakewalk) and even those who don't (Apple). I'd just like MOTU to join in on that practice.

SixStringGeek · Post by **SixStringGeek** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:06 pm

taylor12k wrote:if MOTU turns DP into a rainbow-blast of a GUI it will be a sad, sad day...

What do you have against rainbow-blast GUIs?

David Polich · Post by **David Polich** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:37 pm

Dubnick wrote:Digidesign release bug fix lists for every update, as do Apple (Late Breaking News document), and I believe, so does Cakewalk. Most plug-in manufactures do too. Whether those companies use bug fix lists on initial version releases is a valid question. MOTU doesn't release bug fix lists for any updates. I don't think this is too much to ask, in fact, it seems to be standard practice for both those companies that take a proactive approach to tech support (Digidesign, FXpansion, Cakewalk) and even those who don't (Apple). I'd just like MOTU to join in on that practice.

Yes, but you're talking about updates - not initial releases. Leopard wasn't released with a list of things fixed in Tiger. DP6 is not an update of DP5. It is a different product. An update of DP6 would be DP 6.x.

I do understand what you're saying, it's a valid point, not too much to ask. DP6 has a list of improvements and new features. Fixes of existing problems with the current version of DP are a separate issue, that's the only point I'm trying to make.

RCory · Post by **RCory** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:45 pm

Well, I read all 26 pages of this thread and was going to respond to some of the posts, but I forgot what they were..

ah well, bring dp6 home MOTU!

RCory · Post by **RCory** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:54 pm

oh yeah - the burn to Redbook CD with PQ code lists would be totally trick...

aizo · Post by **aizo** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:42 pm

T>R>I>P>L>E>T>S>!!!!!!!

give me a "T"
give me a "R"
give me a "I"
give me a "P"
give me a "L"
give me a "E"
give me a "T"
give me a "S"

what does that spell? TRIPLETS!!!

come on!!! triplets in drum editor PLEASE!!!!! おねがいしまう！！！！

TnMike · Post by **TnMike** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 9:47 pm

DP6? How about a DP5.5 with no upgrade cost?

BobK · Post by **BobK** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:16 pm

Those of you who want a list of bug fixes (or anything else, for that matter): Have you sent an email to MOTU's suggestion box? If not, that's at least as good a place to mention it as here - probably better, particularly since this is such a rambling thread. I agree, it would be nice to see a list of bug fixes. They did include a list of fixes way, way back with Composer's Mosaic...

Phil Jeffers · Post by **Phil Jeffers** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:16 am

TnMike wrote:DP6? How about a DP5.5 with no upgrade cost?

Yes - with BWF support!

That'll happen!?

la peste · Post by **la peste** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:23 am

Thx to those answering some requests regarding ProVerb and the IRs it can load.
No one has mentioned -well as far as I have noticed- if it's a true stereo convolution reverb, or better a true surround convolution reverb (not a stereo one that you place in the mix after - as suggested in the screen capture).
Any answer on this issue would be great !

waterstrum · Post by **waterstrum** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:50 am

Any chance this version of DP will sound better???....
Better summing? Better handling of audio etc?
Better math?