DP virgin needs simple loop-building advice/tutorial

[jgest]

FMiguelez wrote

To become friends with someone you need to "pass some kind of basic test" (trust, share, whatever). The least we expect here is that you (you not as in YOU, but in general) are a legit user, and exhibit basic signs of decency and decorum. That's it.

I think FM hit it on the head, but would like to remind all that this is a two-way street. I'm not sure I would have wanted to return to this site had I been blasted in response to my first post. For example: by simply deleting the "F" from RTFM, the tenor of the conversation is allowed to remain more pleasant. Even on tough days, I try to remember the written word is vastly different from that which is spoken, and re-read my posts from the recipient's perspective before submitting.

As far as creating a searchable PDF Index for the F'ing manual, I think that's a very good idea!

Perfectly worded FM ........

[FMiguelez]

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Hey, jgest! Good to see ya!!

BTW, just curious, anyone has an idea of who nailed the term "troll"???
I mean, aren't trolls originally those mythological Norwegian beings? I have a few of them, back from when I used to work for Disney, from the Norwegian Pavilion in EPCOT

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Q: "How do I get My MIDI to play a VI?"

Be sure to set up both an audio track and a MIDI track. Route the audio track to an aux track to conserve CPU resources when utilizing multiple plugins that will be set with the same parameters.

ALL MIDI must be quantized at least three times before being routed to the VI track which must be done using Finale or Sibelius via IAC and back again (thanks to Frodo for the "there and back again" tip!). The MIDI track should also be pitch shifted a quarter tone (up or down, it doesn't matter which) to compensate for latency (see DP manual pp 1325 for more on quarter tone pitch shifting and custom scales.)

Then, normalize ONLY the stems with frequencies below 20hz so they can be sure to rattle and break the windows of any cars even close to your car when playing back these sequences in public. This will save you a bundle on a car alarm (not to be confused with audio bundles pp 457, 23, and 5682). You may find yourself buying more subwoofers. One can never have too many subwoofers!

Finally, at that point you are ready to bounce to dick [sic], selecting every other measure in the piece (manually) and then mixing the result in an app such as Logic, ProTools or Miss Piggy's Audio Service. This gives you an "interlaced" file that will also be compatible with any video projects you might get in the future - or allow you to program your own iTunes Visualizer sequence which you can then sell on eBay as a custom Apple Widget!

Hopefully, MOTU will include the interlaced feature in version 7.3 of DP. Let me know if you cannot afford this and I'll email you my MOTU passwords and key codes so you can download it for yourself. (I got my copy of DP form a composer in LA who still uses bootleg copies of DP and I feel obligated to continue this trend.) <wink wink>

Hope this helps...

[MIDI Life Crisis]

...anyone has an idea of who nailed the term "troll"?

When in doubt, Al Gore. Otherwise, Raquel Welsh.

[emulatorloo]

the term "troll"???

http://www.netlingo.com/lookup.cfm?term=troll

Troll
a.k.a. trolling

Online it originally meant the act of posting a message in a newsgroup that is obviously exaggerating something on a particular topic, hoping to trick a newbie into posting a follow-up article that points out the mistake.

In general, to "troll" means to allure, to fish, to entice or to bait. (emphasis mine)Internet trolls are people who fish for other people's confidence and, once found, exploit it.

Trolls vary in nature; here are four types of online trolls:

Playtime Trolls: an individual plays a simple, short game. Such trolls are relatively easy to spot because their attack or provocation is fairly blatant, and the persona is fairly two-dimensional.

Tactical Trolls: This is where the troller takes the game more seriously, creates a credible persona to gain confidence of others, and provokes strife in a subtle and invidious way.

Strategic Trolls: A very serious form of game, involving the production of an overall strategy that can take months or years to develop. It can also involve a number of people acting together in order to invade a list.

Domination Trolls: This is where the trollers' strategy extends to the creation and running of apparently bona-fide mailing lists.

see also: flame bait , lurk.

See also:

How to go about Trolling for Fish like a Pro?
http://www.ehow.com/how_2030599_trollin ... e-pro.html

A technique in fishing where some form of bait is used to lure the fish or using a live fish to catch other fishes is called trolling. Trolling is also a well-known freshwater angling technique. With a help of a boat that uses a special trolling motor, you can start trolling. You would require a boat, trolling motor, rod and reel, and a lure to go for trolling. You can start fishing once you are sure that the troll and lure are inside the water and is working. This is one of the effective fishing techniques, which can be used in lake or pond to catch fishes because fishes follow you for the reason that you have a food for them. If you use the right trolling technique in a lake where you have a good catch of fishes, you definitely can get hold of a lot of fishes very easily.

[monkey man]

Hope this helps...

"hope this helps", eh?

[Monkey scrapes the giant-sized poomunition shrapnel from the wall...]

Thank you, Gorilla; your insightful tips are much appreciated.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

"hope this helps", eh?

[Monkey scrapes the giant-sized poomunition shrapnel from the wall...]

Thank you, Gorilla; your insightful tips are much appreciated.

Please... may I send you a key code and password as well?

VERY happy to see you back here, Nicky. Really! We do get all warm and fuzzy when you're away and it gets warm in this gorilla costume...

[kelldammit]

Q: "How do I get My MIDI to play a VI?"

The MIDI track should also be pitch shifted a quarter tone (up or down, it doesn't matter which) to compensate for latency (see DP manual pp 1325 for more on quarter tone pitch shifting and custom scales.)

Hope this helps...

very much so. i KNEW i was missing something obvious. DP RAWKS!!!

[monkey man]

"hope this helps", eh?

[Monkey scrapes the giant-sized poomunition shrapnel from the wall...]

Thank you, Gorilla; your insightful tips are much appreciated.

Please... may I send you a key code and password as well?

Please, by all means, Magilla.
I'd like to experience DP in all her unlocked glory.

VERY happy to see you back here, Nicky. Really! We do get all warm and fuzzy when you're away and it gets warm in this gorilla costume...

I can relate - imagine having to squeeze yourself into a 4 foot chimp outfit.

It warms my already-sweaty heart to hear that you're happy to see me, Magilla, seriously.
Do me a favour though, please don't stand behind me.
OK, so maybe "VERY" happy doesn't mean happy-happy-joy-joy, but I'd prefer to play it safe just the same.
So... did you bring the dingers?

PS: Fragile individuals be advised to move on and ignore the preceeding grunts and mutterings.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Do me a favour though, please don't stand behind me.

Boy, I make one joke, ONE JOKE! weeks ago and it has to follow me around like a mosquito!

[monkey man]

Who you callin' a mosquito, buzz-nuts?

On that note Mike, I bid you goodnight, or good morning, as the case may be.
Don't tell anyone, but I missed you too, you big, fat, stinkin' gorilla you!

EDIT:
PS: James, it seems I got a little carried away with the sheer joy of flingin'.
If you like, I'll take care of the mess tomorrow, but for now I beg your leave that I may rest up for a big day of poomunition cleanup. Thank you, oh shepherd of our lowly flock.

[dosuna11]

My biggest beef with all the DAWs is I know what I want it to do now what do "they" call it. In my DAW fantasy world every programs key commands are the same and they all use the same terminology. UnicorNation has been a big help to me. Much thanks to you all.

[Tripp]

But it's a strange culture here (at least I think it is) to reference the manual so much to explain things. It's like "Hey, how do you do xyz..." then the reply is "Read the manual...."

Tripp, as FM says, no it is not that way --

The typical response pattern is:


Q: "How do I get My MIDI to play a VI?"

A: "Look in the manual on Page xx thru xx. If you have more questions, check back"

Referring someone to the EXACT pages in the manual is not the same as saying "read the manual."

Personally I think it is pretty helpful. Maybe you don't.


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But that didn't happen in this instance.

It IS helpful to get a manual page number. A downside to this is searching and using this post down the line. When the manual changes with a new edition and people come and search this forum, the page numbers will be wrong and could be useless. Also, depending on the version you have, the page number could again be useless.

A lot of times I browse this forum while I'm at work on a lunch break. An interesting topic comes up and there's a good question with a reply to a page number. Well I don't have the manual with me, don't get to learn about it and I'll probably forget about it. But had the conversation developed, even at a simple level by novices, I might indeed learn something.

If I'm in a room with a bunch of friends and I ask them a question about how to do something, I don't normally get "see page 328...or go to the library and look it up." Usually, a dialog begins and takes the conversation somewhere where everyone learns something. And that does indeed happen here quite a lot. This IS a great forum.

But on this thread the OP asked a question and was referred to the manual without page numbers...twice...in a row. I know if it were me I wouldn't think that it was too helpful, particularly if I'm new.

Perhaps it's just philosophy differences or something, but if I were to ask a question on a forum where everyone shares the same interests as me I would expect some sort of dialog to ensue. If I'd wanted a page number, I would have asked what page can I find out about so and so.

Hey, I love this forum and I've learned so much it ain't even funny, but this thread just tweaked me a bit.

There are so many people on this forum and so many different levels of knowledge here that someone will probably not have a issue answering a simpler question.

I don't mean to come off as if I'm not appreciative of this forum because I certainly am. I feel very fortunate to have found it and it's been a pleasant experience. I'm just one of those that think talking about things, even simple things, can work out better.

But I also understand the other opinions as well.

Time to move on...but thanks for listening. Happy edge editing!

[cuttime]

I vowed to stay out of this, but I have to chime in: TFM does indeed have just about everything there is to know, but in my opinion the manual's index is the weakest link. I've made about 50 hand-written annotations in the index, mostly from info gleaned from the discussions in these invaluable forums.

A good example: A question that frequently comes up is "How do I clear the default patch list in the Tracks Overview? Try looking that up in the index. Looking under "Default Patch", or "Patch List" will not yield results. If I'm in the middle of a project, this could result in frustration and time lost. My first inclination would be to use the forum's search function, and only if that failed, would I post a question, and it would be wise to say "I checked pp. 179-180 in the 5 manual and I couldn't find what I was looking for". If one approached the question in this manner, I'm sure the fine folks here would jump over themselves to provide an answer. Anything less than this approach just smacks of laziness and inconsideration of other's time.

Agreed, a searchable pdf would be the ultimate solution, but I don't think it would be legal without MOTU's permission. A searchable forum would be the next best thing, and we already have one! BTW the answer to the question lies on page...77.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

But that didn't happen in this instance.

Perhaps because it was pretty obvious this guy had a bootleg copy of the program. There are no less than about 3 dozen references to "loops" in the DP 5 index. And the guy never acknowledged he checked, or worse, even had a manual.

With a zero tolerance to people using illegal (read: stolen) copies of the program, the guy was doomed from the start.

Ultimately, it's not about page numbers, it's about weeding out pirates that some members attempt to do. At worst, if you have a purchased copy of DP, your nose might get bent out of shape. But then again, once you demonstrate you have TFM you'll get all sorts of help.

Now if you have a problem in general with members weeding out pirates, that's something else all together. But this is a privately owned board and the owner can set whatever rules he wants. And he has:

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8926

As for your lunch break issue, might I suggest you copy the message location and email it to yourself for reference later? Besides, even with the manual at hand, if you don't have DP running to try some of this stuff, you won't really "get it" anyway.

MM