DP vs. Logic- The Verdict Is In!

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:57 am

kassonica wrote:All this logic talk (myself included) has made aware that DP is about to raise the bar quite high, I can feel it in my bones and on my fingers patting her amazing new features and stability with awe and lotsa love.

Come on come to me soon and give me your love DP

Agreed, Mark.

I too can feel it in the air and in my bones; they're tuned to MOTU.

Checking the MOTU site has become a ritual once more...

Come to monkey, MOTU, and give me a big kiss...

SixStringGeek · Post by **SixStringGeek** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:42 am

guyreilly wrote: 1. Mainstage. Awesome performance tool (sadly my 1Ghz G4 PB won't run it)
It is a deep and fun program that can be used really creatively for laptop performance. Very easy to switch patches, build "concerts", and have a totally customizable interface that matches your MIDI controller and your performance needs exactly. It has a great feature that intelligently changes the keysplits if you have multiple patches on one keyboard i.e. say you have a bass sound on a-2 to b3 and a lead from c4 to c8... if you are playing the bass towards the top of the range it will actually keep the bass sound if you spill over above c4, all with great visual feedback. I'm sure there is more fun stuff here too that I haven't got to yet.

Interesting feature. I'll have to think about stealing it. I can think of a couple tunes in my set list where this would not be appropriate at all though.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Thu Oct 25, 2007 10:58 pm

Isn't that keysplit tracker the berries? Er... do people still say that? I mean... isn't that keysplit tracker the ••••? (is there a shitberry? Well, someone might get the wrong idea...) I was freaked the first time I saw it moving. Then I started testing it to see what its parameters are. I forget the interval, but it will track scales definitely, and I think up to a third if it's an arpeggio. It has a limit; I wonder if you can set that.

I like Mainstage. I wish it were more integrated into Logic, or that it could be used as an instrument/controller in any DAW. Why not have it put out a MIDI port for Audio/MIDI Setup? (or does it? I haven't checked) That would be fantastic to be able to use it in conjunction with any DAW. It would be like having one of the best aspects of Logic available for use in DP!

Shooshie

guyreilly · Post by **guyreilly** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:31 pm

Shooshie,

Exactly!! If I could basically run Logic/Mainstage as a VI rack and route MIDI through IAC or something it would be RAD. Maybe that would work... I'll report in.

The key split tracking is crazyberry (crazyberry is also the Seattle rip-off of the infamous LA Pinkberry, oh so delicious plain frozen yogurt)

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:38 pm

Six String Geek:

...and 1 Sand Filled Plastic Egg

Is this a vintage American-made plastic egg... say mid 70s... or one of the Hong Kong reissues? I prefer the tone of the 70s model as the shell is a bit thicker and made of a different plastic producing a warmer, rounder tone than the imports.

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:01 am

I just had to share this from another forum, re: routing multiple channels from a VI into Logic 8:

Person wrote: How can i get ... <a particular VI> with more than one channel in Logic?

Tech Support wrote:
"In Logic's environment, create a new multi-instrument - - this will have 16 channels.

Wire the multi-instrument to Instrument 1 on the MIxer page of the Environment. (To move an object from one layer of the Environment to another, select the object, hold down the option key while selecting the layer of the Environment to which you wish to move the object.)

Name the Multi-Instrument something like <edit>.

After you have done this, load a multi-channel instance of <edit> into Instrument 1.

Go to the arrange page. You will find that, when you right-click or contol-click a track, you can reassign it to <edit> 1, channels 1 - 16). Load the instruments into <edit> as you desire.

It is important to remember that, in Logic, MIDI Volume (CC7) changes will affect all 16 channels of a multi-instrument simultaneously. Since this is rarely desirable, use MIDI Expression (CC11) to affect changes in level for each channel - MIDI Expression settings can function independently on all 16 channels."

I hope this is helpful.

LOL!

For those of your who don't speak Logic, here's the DP equivalent:

1. Open an instance of the plugin and add 16 MIDI tracks.

2. MIDI and Audio routing options are automatically available in the tracks' respective inputs and outputs.

3. Assign them accordingly.

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:40 am

Tell me about it... Did you also notice that the MIDI volume affects all 16 tracks simultaneously in Logic? I tried to 'mix' different tracks with MIDI volumes, and couldn't believe it - they all moved! It's like temporary groups permanently!

tim57var · Post by **tim57var** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:09 am

Yes - this problem bugged me as well - it took all the coolness out of the way L8 handles VIs. Also, one instance of Mach5v2 with 16 parts was killing my CPU (even on my 8-core) - so, I was told to use a separate instance of Mach5 for every part played - this fixed SO many things - no more strange aux routing, you could freeez/export each track with no issues, MIDI vol only affected that track - and, oh.....I was able to have about 40 instances of Mach 5 going at once (not to mention Ivory, Battery, FM7 and a handful of exs tracks as well) - and my CPU meters were still at about 50%!!!

ANd - someone mentioned easily editing out a piece of audio?? Try selecting with the marquee too and hit delete.

I'm still not nearly as comfortable on L8 as I ever was on DP, but it's getting better every day....sorry guys....

Frodo · Post by **Frodo** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:20 pm

tim57var wrote:....sorry guys....

No need to apologize. Feelings are mixed, but it remains clear that L8 wasn't the DP killer it was anticipated to be.

There are lots of nice things to recommend for Logic 8, but just looking at this very simple process in both apps reveals much about how each works. DP holds its own.

SixStringGeek · Post by **SixStringGeek** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:45 pm

James Steele wrote:Six String Geek:

...and 1 Sand Filled Plastic Egg
Is this a vintage American-made plastic egg... say mid 70s... or one of the Hong Kong reissues? I prefer the tone of the 70s model as the shell is a bit thicker and made of a different plastic producing a warmer, rounder tone than the imports.

Naw, this is a mid-90's LA edition. It has that trademark west coast sound.

martian · Post by **martian** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:20 am

my thy permissioons be repaired!!

kelldammit · Post by **kelldammit** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:44 am

Frodo wrote:I just had to share this from another forum, re: routing multiple channels from a VI into Logic 8:

Person wrote: How can i get ... <a particular VI> with more than one channel in Logic?

Tech Support wrote:
"In Logic's environment, create a new multi-instrument - - this will have 16 channels.

Wire the multi-instrument to Instrument 1 on the MIxer page of the Environment. (To move an object from one layer of the Environment to another, select the object, hold down the option key while selecting the layer of the Environment to which you wish to move the object.)

Name the Multi-Instrument something like <edit>.

After you have done this, load a multi-channel instance of <edit> into Instrument 1.

Go to the arrange page. You will find that, when you right-click or contol-click a track, you can reassign it to <edit> 1, channels 1 - 16). Load the instruments into <edit> as you desire.

It is important to remember that, in Logic, MIDI Volume (CC7) changes will affect all 16 channels of a multi-instrument simultaneously. Since this is rarely desirable, use MIDI Expression (CC11) to affect changes in level for each channel - MIDI Expression settings can function independently on all 16 channels."

I hope this is helpful.

For those of your who don't speak Logic, here's the DP equivalent:

1. Open an instance of the plugin and add 16 MIDI tracks.

2. MIDI and Audio routing options are automatically available in the tracks' respective inputs and outputs.

3. Assign them accordingly.

to advocate the unholy power, tech support sent them the long way around.
1. in the arrangement, take an empty instrument track, and instantiate a multi-out vi. set up any multiple outputs if necessary.
2. select the instrument track, and at the top of the arrangement, hit the track button. in the pulldown, simply select new with next MIDI channel. it will look like another identical instrument track appears...it is, but it actually references the original instrument, on a different channel.
3. in the mixer, find the vi's channel strip, and hit the small + button on the lower right of the slider. this will automatically add the next proper stereo or mono aux presented by the instrument.

multitimbral, multioutput, no environment necessary at all. no bundles or busses to set up and keep track of. and faster than realtime freezes on individual channels of multitimbrals, if i remember correctly.
they've really improved things a LOT with l8, workflow wise.