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jrdmcdnld wrote:Gearboy, how does the sound of the duet compare to the sound of your BLA modded 828mkII?
I am running listening tests right now, but it's tough to A/B them and be completely objective since I am the one switching them. I'm listening on NS-10Ms through a 1976 pioneer receiver, and both the Duet and BLA 828mk2 are connected to the receiver through the same kind/length of unbalanced cable, which in both cases is a bit of a handicap. However, both of them sound great.

I can tell you that with D/A conversion, it is almost impossible to tell them apart. It is definitely not a night and day difference, which is awesome, because the difference on D/A between the BLA 828mk2 and the stock 828mk2 was night and day.

I matched the output levels and am switching between them in Audio MIDI Setup, so it's truly legit. No aggregate device, so each unit is using it's own clock. Both sound really rich and crystal clear. I am using Robert Plant & Alison Krauss "Raising Sand", Bruce and E Street Band's "Born to Run", and Feist's "The Reminder" as test CDs, and by that I mean that I am playing the CD as a CD in the G5's tray through iTunes, not MP3 or AAC files.

The Apogee has a slightly more defined or "hyped" high end. But it is slight. I mean, I hope that I am not imagining it or people are going to base anything off of this. I'm noticing it on Feist's record more so than the other discs. It is slight but definitely there, an air that the Black Lion doesn't seem to have. However, this is not a serious make or break quality. You need to spend several hours listening to these two pieces of gear to see what I am talking about. I wouldn't call it better, just slightly different. It's not like I am able to hear things that I can't hear on the Black Lion 828mk2.

I am very happy that I can have both of them hooked up to my G5 running off of their own clocks and switch between them. This will make testing the mic preamps and DIs more scientific.

I'll get to that in a bit.

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Post by leigh »

It looks like the Metric Halo ULN2 is the way to go for my application.

Since I'm using it to record a stereo pair of live classical/jazz gigs, and then all mixing and processing is done back at my studio, do I need the DSP version or will the non-DSP version work well for me?

Is there any other advantage other than being able to run plug-ins, which I don't do?
I can think of 2 advantages.

1. When I do a live stereo recording with my ULN +DSP (or ULN & two 2882s), I use the ULN routing matrix to feed a rough mix to the +DSP limiter which sends to a Tascam CD-RW 2000 for a backup or quick rough mix for clients.

2. I have recently switched to using the ULN +DSP Limiter for real-time mastering instead of the Waves L2, sending my DP mix out to the ULN +DSP Limiter and back to a recording track in DP. Clients really like the sound of the hardware over the plug-in.

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Post by BradLyons »

If you really want to do these tests....I should send you my Earthworks Mics, Adam S-monitors and a GML 2-channel pre. That way you an accurately record, test and listen to...I think you'd be even more surprised 8)
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Red vs. stock Oktava caps, Apogee Duet vs. BLA 828mk2...

The following files were all recorded with the same MK-012 preamp/body and 10' Monster XLR cable. I paid close attention to gain staging but of course there will be slight differences. My Taylor 310ce was miked at the 12th fret approx 6" away for each 24-bit 44.1kHz WAV file. All files are presented here with no EQ and no processing of any kind. Straight off the microphones and raw.

Apogee Duet:
Red MK-12 Capsule
Oktava MK-012 Cardioid
Oktava MK-012 Omni

MOTU 828mk2 w/ BLA mod (analog/clock):
Red MK-12 Capsule
Oktava MK-012 Cardioid
Oktava MK-012 Omni

I'd love to hear some feedback.

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Post by Phil O »

BradLyons wrote:If you really want to do these tests....I should send you my Earthworks Mics, Adam S-monitors and a GML 2-channel pre.
Yes. I do these tests all the time. Please send your stuff immediately.
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gearboy wrote:I'd love to hear some feedback.

Jeff
Tough call. They sound pretty close to me. I think I can detect a difference, but it could just be minute variations in mic position from take to take. But you're right, it definitely isn't night and day.

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Post by sdemott »

I posted this in your other thread (Red Cap for Oktava). I felt it was relevant enough for cross-posting it here too for those that don't hit the other thread):

My take-

The apogee is a definite improvement from the BLA828. The BLA828 sounds veiled to me...particularly in the mids. It also is noticeably "flatter" more 2-D while the apogee seems to be more 3-D...closer to what I get with my Metric-Halo.

Red Cap: warmer than the smaller caps (as expected). I think it was my least favorite on the guitar. Though I would love to hear it on vocals or a brighter instrument like mandolin, dobro or fiddle.

Cardiod: nice sound, focused and not overly hyped like so many mics these days.

Omni: by far my favorite - very natural and open. The room sound didn't bother me - in fact I though it added some depth to the track.

The BLA omni sounded marginally better to me than the BLA cardiod, which tells me that some of the muddiness I was hearing was in the area of the proximity build-up. Though the BLA still sounded more 2-D and veiled when compared to the apogee.
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Phil O wrote:
gearboy wrote:I'd love to hear some feedback.

Jeff
Tough call. They sound pretty close to me. I think I can detect a difference, but it could just be minute variations in mic position from take to take. But you're right, it definitely isn't night and day.

Phil
Well Phil if I'm sending to you, then I meant (6) dozen mics----and keep them as loooooong as you want! :lol:
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BradLyons wrote:Well Phil if I'm sending to you, then I meant (6) dozen mics----and keep them as loooooong as you want! :lol:
Done deal :D
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