Transferring SD2 created in ProtoolsHD to DP5 causes crash?

barks · Post by **barks** » Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:50 am

Hi All.

I suddenly seem to have an issue with some SD2 files -exported from a Protools session- crashing DP on my Intel iMac as soon as I try to import them from a project.

I have been working this way for years between platforms and this is a new one this time.

I track on a 32 channel PT HD system, export, then make DP file, import then mix at home in the analogue domain via RME 800.

The curious thing is that I can build up the DP session, with the same files, and have it all running happily on my G4 powerbook out to interface and desk.
I cannot believe it is an intel/DP issue as I have done 6 major projects this way with no troubles at all since I switched to an Intel Mac.

any ideas please?

my specs are below.

many thanks

barks

barks · Post by **barks** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:56 am

Bump?

tripit@earthlink.net · Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:41 pm

I've had the same problem. I have a bunch of sessions that I created in 5.11, some with OMF audio coming from PT sessions. Almost every single one of them works fine in 5.11 but crashes 5.12. I've had to go through and check every audio file in Peak. Some of them have end of line errors, the ones from OMF do anyway, so I resaved them as wave and them reimported them into the sessions. That seemed to work for some of the errors. In the end I ended up taking all my audio files and batch converting them into wave and the reimporting them into the 5.12 sessions.

5.12 has some strange behavior with audio files. It seems to have issue with files coming from PT and also with AIFF files. It's been a major pain in the ass for me. I'm a stone throw away from drop kicking DP out the studio door. Now that Logic has a fresh GUI, I might very well do that.

pcm · Post by **pcm** » Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:45 pm

Wasn't the new file format of 5.12 supposed to be for better compatibility with Pro Tools? This would be funny if not so tragic.

I think a move to .wav format is what is called for here.

tripit@earthlink.net · Tue Sep 18, 2007 9:43 pm

pcm wrote:Wasn't the new file format of 5.12 supposed to be for better
compatibility with Pro Tools? This would be funny if not so tragic.

I think a move to .wav format is what is called for here.

Absolutely.
Can you believe it? It's way worse for compatibility now. 5.12 won't work with OMF at all and even has serious audio file issues when bringing in older 5.11 sessions, or just importing certain audio files. It's like working in a mine field. Never know which audio file is going to blow the session up in your face.

For the life of me, I can't figure out why MOTU is still hanging on to SD2. It's no good for higher sample rates and no one else is using it anymore. Bwav would probably be the best, keeps the time stamping intact. And all the apple stuff uses AIFF.

barks · Post by **barks** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:01 am

I managed to build the DP project on my G4 powerbook and import the files fine (DP5.12) . The iMac intel was not working.
My work around was to then merge each track to a new file, then I was able to build the project in DP5.12 and import the new files on the iMac.
Something seems to have happened with the original files being consolidated and exported in PT on the iMac, so could it be an intel issue too?

barks

remainanon · Post by **remainanon** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:27 am

This is a bug for sure - I've had the same problem.

My solution was to export .aif files from PT and re-import them to DP.

If DP had created SD2 files, and Pro Tools had so much as referenced the files, not changed or created or consolidated or anything, those files became instant crash food for DP.

As far as I know that's still true - when I reported this to MOTU they made a few suggestions but were unable to duplicate the problem.

Oddly enough...

Their suggestions had to do with a new user account... Didn't help.

I just had to incorporate a double-import into my workflow.

This might very well be an Intel issue.

JW

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:09 am

Did motu tell you to change the extension to SD2?

tripit@earthlink.net · Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:24 pm

barks wrote:I managed to build the DP project on my G4 powerbook and import the files fine (DP5.12) . The iMac intel was not working.
My work around was to then merge each track to a new file, then I was able to build the project in DP5.12 and import the new files on the iMac.
Something seems to have happened with the original files being consolidated and exported in PT on the iMac, so could it be an intel issue too?

barks

Nope, my rig is G5, so it's not an intel issue.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:26 pm

The sd2 extension is also required for G5 operating DP 5.12

tripit@earthlink.net · Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:31 pm

Timeline wrote:The sd2 extension is also required for G5 operating DP 5.12

Yes, that's my understanding too. I think the issue with audio file names and coruption is universal to all the processor platforms. I'm still not clear on what exactly is causing it. The file names don't seem to be the issue for me. It's more a matter of coruption that ocurs during or after importing.

I'm about to OMF a session out of DP to PT for overdubing in another studio tonight. I geuss I'll see if it works going the other way or not.

Timeline · Post by **Timeline** » Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:39 pm

I could never get OMF to work completely to Nuendo from DP either.

I just combined files load them and start over. These DAW's are all very different and they will never truly be compatible because the MFG's don't want them to be.

Remember the days when manufacturers would meet and set standards?
Now it seems they argue over whose right and wrong never really quite get to complete compatibility. It's time to set up a technical group or board to set the standards for them and make this happen.

I would start the board with Shooshie.