DP Question (kind of urgent)

[fst]

VSL-VI or similar plugin involved by any chance?

http://vsl.co.at/forum/viewtopic.php?t= ... frame=true

[auptown]

That's interesting. Also, in both of the cases where the people got the 16xxxTB values they had 8G of RAM installed.

[whonozz]

VSL-VI or similar plugin involved by any chance?

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This is getting more interesting with every new angle ending at the same point. What the hell?????

I think I'll keep my new MacPro shipping boxes in case I need to send this thing back to Apple soon.


"iToys".... I think maybe Mr. Jobs has lost his mind (not to mention, his soul) and is now only on the quest for iProfits.

[Tim]

Frodo,
do you have apple care?

I wish Apple did.

[James Steele]

Man... I don't know. But remember this. They brought back Steve Jobs to make a profit, and make a profit he did! I have to wonder that if Wozniak was really the guy who had computers in the blood and loved them, Steve was sort of the "soulless marketing shill" and I mean that in a good way. LOL. Meaning that unfortunatley for Mac users, Steve, like any good CEO, is going to follow the cash and it's probably not in computers.

You have to consider though that Macintosh MUST continue to exist. If nothing else Bill Gates needs to prop it up so that Microsoft can maintain a straight face when they claim they don't have a monopoly and keep the Justice Department from finishing what they should have done.

I humbly suggest that if it becomes too much of a burden and they are so distracted by their consumer appliances, they spin it off into another division or perhaps a whole different coporation called "Macintosh, Inc."

Ironic the floor space situation at the Apple store that was mentioned. In the Apple store in San Diego it's not nearly that bad, but funny that marginalizing Macs in places like CompUSA, etc. was what drove Apple to create their stores.

Again, bottom line they're a corporation so no big surprise. They're going to emphasis that which produces the greatest margin. If computer hardware isn't doing it for them, here's another scenario that will have Steve Baumer waking in a cold sweat: Once Steve reaches a critical mass with iPhones and even better iPods, Apple will release OSX as a stand alone operating system that will run on PCs and run Windows apps as well with the added benefit that iPods, iPhones will work better. Microsoft would have to actually compete head to head with OS X. Now THAT would scare the hell out of Microsoft!

[James Steele]

So Frodo... I know you're busy, but did you try running the machine with only 4GB of RAM. It's half baked, but if it works then obviously Apple has designed a machine that is unstable with 8GB of RAM which kind of puts this squarely in their lap.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

...Ironic the floor space situation at the Apple store that was mentioned. In the Apple store in San Diego it's not nearly that bad, but funny that marginalizing Macs in places like CompUSA, etc. was what drove Apple to create their stores....

The Best Buy store in Burbank has started selling Apples,as has the online Best Buy:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp ... e=category

[npatton]

Well, Apple sold more Macs last quarter than ever before, and about half of those to NEW "converts" (he he). I'm not so sure they're gonna dump computer R&D quite yet...

[James Steele]

Well, Apple sold more Macs last quarter than ever before, and about half of those to NEW "converts" (he he). I'm not so sure they're gonna dump computer R&D quite yet...

No... but maybe spin it off? The genius is that the awareness of the Apple brand must be being driven by the consumer appliances. So new people are rediscoving Macs and to the younger generation, they'd rather die than be un-hip, and what is more sleek and hip than the new iMacs for example?

What still blows my mind is how pathetic are the attempts by the companies that sell PC enclosures to match Apple's knack for style. They end up making PCs that look like a Soviet copy of something that was supposedto look cool.

[blue]

Ironic the floor space situation at the Apple store that was mentioned. In the Apple store in San Diego it's not nearly that bad, but funny that marginalizing Macs in places like CompUSA, etc. was what drove Apple to create their stores.

The other way of looking at it is this: before the Apple stores there weren't a hell of a lot of retail outfits carrying Macs. That has now changed. Despite the ratio of computers to other gadgets in the Apple stores, the number of actual Apple computers on retail floors is greater now than ever before.

[chucks]

Well, Apple sold more Macs last quarter than ever before, and about half of those to NEW "converts" (he he). I'm not so sure they're gonna dump computer R&D quite yet...

The analysts attribute a lot of the computer sales to new people to what they call the Halo Effect. The iPod has introduced consumers to the brand and they've developed a comfort zone and identification with Apple products. Wonder how the iPhone would have done had it preceeded the iPod?

[chrispick]

The analysts attribute a lot of the computer sales to new people to what they call the Halo Effect. The iPod has introduced consumers to the brand and they've developed a comfort zone and identification with Apple products. Wonder how the iPhone would have done had it preceeded the iPod?

I think this hits the nail on the head.

The iPod changed everything for Apple. It's fascinating to me. My uneducated opinion is the success of the iPod is almost exclusively the result of a savvy marketing campaign. When it first appeared, it brought nothing new to the table in terms of use or technology. But it sold like crazy, and I think it's because of those dancing silhouette TV spots: catchy songs paired with a good-looking, imprintable visual style.

[emulatorloo]

My uneducated opinion is the success of the iPod is almost exclusively the result of a savvy marketing campaign. When it first appeared, it brought nothing new to the table in terms of use or technology. But it sold like crazy, and I think it's because of those dancing silhouette TV spots: catchy songs paired with a good-looking, imprintable visual style.

You are right about the excellent marketing, but IMHO it was more than that

-- what the first iPods offered over the competition was a usable GUI --- the scroll wheel and the organization of the menus really differentiated it, IMHO.

Suddenly the huge 5 gig sound library you had was easily managable with that wheel and the nested menus.



To me the competing products never had as good a GUI -- cludgey buttons rather than that WHEEL and poor organization (and to this day I still don't think the competeing products have a good GUI)

That got people introduced to the "Apple Way"

And then the release of iTunes for windows took it a little further -- introducing Windows users to what Apple software is like (as opposed to Windows)

-- looks good
-- organized
-- easy to use

-- So what the heck -- "iPod and iTunes experience is so great -- why don't I try a mac too????"

Hopefully iPod touch will continue encouraging the migration. . .

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[Frodo]

VSL-VI or similar plugin involved by any chance?

http://vsl.co.at/forum/viewtopic.php?t= ... frame=true

Just so you know-- I'm JWL on that thread!! That was back in the day when I braved X4X. The problem is takes place with all plugins, not just VSL. I even tested it with the MAS instruments, EW, NI, IK, etc., all AU.

And.. JWL stands for John Winston Lennon! Now you know why the Beatle thread is as long as it is.

Frodo:

Here's a long shot, but an easy one to try.

What about loading only half your ram? Try it with 4G instead of 8G. When I scanned that apple thread, all the folks reporting the giant memory number (which to my thinking is a form of a binary -1) had 8G or more ram.

My fingers are crossed for you!

So Frodo... I know you're busy, but did you try running the machine with only 4GB of RAM. It's half baked, but if it works then obviously Apple has designed a machine that is unstable with 8GB of RAM which kind of puts this squarely in their lap.

Man, I miss you guys-- and I really haven't been "away"! I do feel quite disconnected and out of the loop, though.

I have not tried the 4GB route just yet-- still swatting away to meet deadlines here. I *will* try it, however. I've been wondering if the 2GB sticks are part of the problem, but I think the one thing that tripped me up trying the 4GB trick was just where those two 2GB sticks should go. I think they said the lower riser should hold the first pair.

Heck, at this point it almost doesn't matter if I screw something up!! LOL! But I'm not even using the MacPro any more.

Frodo,
do you have apple care?

I wish Apple did.

LOL! Apple Care Less.

But, that's SO agonizingly typical of anything these days: only the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Sell it first, get their cash, and if it's defective have the customer do without it for 2-3 weeks while it's being repaired. It seems to be the excuse for not getting it right the first time.

Short answer-- "yes". I have a warranty.

I just need a couple of days to pull cards and clone/backup drives. What I want to do is set up a FW drive so that when I go pick up it I can run my own test in the store in case it doesn't work so that I don't have to drag it back and forth.

iPhones have dropped 30-40% just 12 weeks after being released. Sounds like Apple has no problem with making a mockery of the trust of its users of both toys and computers.

We're very good about doing our homework before buying a computer, but perhaps at some point we could start a thread on every essential test that should be done with a new computer within the first 14 days of purchase so that the thing can be returned instead of farmed out for repeated repairs.

When I was younger, so much younger than today
I never needed anybody's help in any way.
But now, those days are gone... ~John Lennon

[emulatorloo]

iPhones have dropped 30-40% just 12 weeks after being released. Sounds like Apple has no problem with making a mockery of the trust of its users of both toys and computers.

FWIW Jobs is giving iPhone early adopters $100.00 in store credit at the Apple Store:


http://www.apple.com/hotnews/openiphoneletter/

To all iPhone customers:

I have received hundreds of emails from iPhone customers who are upset about Apple dropping the price of iPhone by $200 two months after it went on sale. After reading every one of these emails, I have some observations and conclusions.

First, I am sure that we are making the correct decision to lower the price of the 8GB iPhone from $599 to $399, and that now is the right time to do it. iPhone is a breakthrough product, and we have the chance to 'go for it' this holiday season. iPhone is so far ahead of the competition, and now it will be affordable by even more customers. It benefits both Apple and every iPhone user to get as many new customers as possible in the iPhone 'tent'. We strongly believe the $399 price will help us do just that this holiday season.

<SNIP>

Third, even though we are making the right decision to lower the price of iPhone, and even though the technology road is bumpy, we need to do a better job taking care of our early iPhone customers as we aggressively go after new ones with a lower price. Our early customers trusted us, and we must live up to that trust with our actions in moments like these.

Therefore, we have decided to offer every iPhone customer who purchased an iPhone from either Apple or AT&T, and who is not receiving a rebate or any other consideration, a $100 store credit towards the purchase of any product at an Apple Retail Store or the Apple Online Store. Details are still being worked out and will be posted on Apple's website next week. Stay tuned.

We want to do the right thing for our valued iPhone customers. We apologize for disappointing some of you, and we are doing our best to live up to your high expectations of Apple.

Steve Jobs
Apple CEO

More at link == I also posted more of Job's letter in MOTU GRIPES and OFF TOPIC forum.

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