DP Market Share? Anyone know?

Michael Canavan · Post by **Michael Canavan** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:31 pm

That's not too bad really.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 7:40 pm

Big Blue Lounge is a Logic forum. Or at least, it was. It evolved into a general forum, but the principle demographic there was Logic users. Gearslutz, by its very name, sounds oriented toward something other than DP.

It's hard to tell from polls. Now if a UnicorNation poll placed DP last place, then I'd be pretty worried. An interesting place for such a poll would be a film forum, or a school forum like Berklee, where DP is actually taught as one of the major composition tools.

Shooshie

Michael Canavan · Post by **Michael Canavan** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:18 pm

DP has the smallest share, but of the big five:
1. Pro Tools
2. Cubase/Nuendo
3. Logic
4. Sonar
5. Digital Performer

I would say DP does pretty good considering the amount of people using PC's on that list, and the money/support behind every one of the other players on that list:

1. Pro Tools = Avid

2. Cubase/Nuendo = Yamaha

3. Logic = Apple

4. Sonar, in bed with Microsoft and always first to adopt, or even help write their technologies.

DP has no such allies. I'm sure Apple are pretty easy access, but not as easy as what the old Emagic team get, (OSX transition anyone?). So I wouldn't be ashamed that DP isn't selling exactly what the others do.

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:27 pm

Mr. Quimper wrote:Just noticed this...looks like DP's not doing so hot over on Gearslutz.com:

Who uses what DAW?

Pro Tools
174 36.55%

Logic
71 14.92%

Nuendo
50 10.50%

Cubase
69 14.50%

Other
68 14.29%

Performer
44 9.24%

Voters: 476

I assume this also includes PC users? If so, then DP doesn't do too bad.
Let's say that 1/2 of PT, Nuende, Cubase users use PCs (about 30% then) plus the 'other' which is probably Sonar, that's 44% of people in this poll using PCs, which leaves 56%-

PT - 18%
Logic 14%
Nuende- %5
Cubase- 7%
DP - 9%

Of course this is just conjecture, and like Shooshie said, BBLounge started out as a Logic forum (check out those colours), and by and large still is, as well as mostly Mac users. Good news is, DP places second in amount of threads and posts (of course that could mean 2nd after Logic in bugs, etc..)

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:24 am

Nice... I couldn't find the thread with the poll in it, but you just gotta love some of the Digital Performer bashing going on over on that board. Just a few quick quotes that took me no time at all to find when searching for Digital Performer:

DP has a great user interface. But the sound is on a par with some of the 40 dollar DAW software you can find if you do a KVR search.

If you can afford it, get PT. If you need compatibility with other studios, stability, it's the one. If you want to write songs and have fun, DP is ok.

Then I found this:

I use DP for composition and mixing. Version 5.12 on a MacIntel.

I find it very stable and great-sounding. I have no negative things to say about its summing.

Anyway, here's a good DP user website: www.unicornation.com. Check it out.

That last quote was from our pal, Chrispick! Nice!

What kind of kills me really is that it's really to the point that with good mics, mic pres, and decent converters any DAW should do a respectable job. I've heard amazing things come out of DP rigs that were mixed ITB and other DAWs as well.

I understand and don't discount compatibility concerns, but this argument that DP sounds bad is something I'm not buying into.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:42 am

No need to buy into what is not true. The people saying that crap are ignorant. No matter their level of "expertise," they haven't used DP enough to know.

Shooshie

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 12:50 am

Shooshie wrote:No need to buy into what is not true. The people saying that crap are ignorant. No matter their level of "expertise," they haven't used DP enough to know.

So true - they're extremely ignorant. There's probably not one DAW that sounds that bad (including GB), and you could get away with making CDs with all of them, and the majority of people wouldn't be able to tell.

jlaudon · Post by **jlaudon** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:02 am

I like this one from BBLounge...

If memory serves, we've had Logic Pro 7 for close on a year now.

Anybody know if there's any news on the next version of Logic and if so when we'll see it?

Logic Pro 7.5 with some new features (like DP's Melodyne type technology would be good)!

YouTube · Post by **James Steele** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:07 am

Hehehe... gotta love it. You know what's really amazing is that I'm pretty sure MOTU introduced the pitch correction technology in a free upgrade, didn't they? Maybe not... I could be wrong, but it was an amazing feature that could easily justify the upgrade all by itself.

What blows me away is just how well it works too!

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 1:09 am

Believe it or not, in a shootout with Soundscape (PC-based, hardware dependent like Pro Tools), Digital Performer won unanimously with a double-blind panel of judges who were all professional musicians, music directors, and recording/sound people in Las Vegas back in 2001. DP actually sounded better with the same I/O set up for both platforms recording simultaneously.

The difference was very slight, but all of us could tell, and all of us preferred DP.

Shooshie

kassonica · Post by **kassonica** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 3:57 am

James wrote

I understand and don't discount compatibility concerns, but this argument that DP sounds bad is something I'm not buying into

Well times that by a hundred and you have my opinion

I remember when i changed from logic to DP and i couldn't get over the difference in sound (although it was in the OS 9 days) Logic was like it was being played through mud.

Matcher · Post by **Matcher** » Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:23 am

I think this has to do also with the combinations of hardware and software. For example, Sonar and Windows didn't produce similar results with my Traveler as DP and MBP do. Logic might be at it's best with Apogee hardware and Sonar with something else. When judging how a software sounds, there's a lot of factors to pay attention to.

Just my two cents