MachFive 2.01 posted

dougieb · Post by **dougieb** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:05 pm

Yeah, this is pretty lame on the part of both MOTU and Spectrasonics since all this point release appears to do is limit the Spectrasonics read functionality - and doesn't even address the main bug at hand. Since they gave us this point release, the least they could have done is kissed us first by fixing the sustain bug.

As for Spectrasonics, they have been so amazingly lame in having their licensed users wait 2 YEARS from the intel announcement for an update to software that we have purchased. MachV2 would have been a nice interim fix until SS gets their shi* together - and may have even been an incentive to hurry the f*** up, but apparently someone got a hairball.

Really annoying since you have to have the SS DVDs installed to have this on your system in the first place.

LAME LAME LAME

RCory · Post by **RCory** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:08 pm

Well, it took some work, but I managed to save all the Spectrsonics stuff as .M5p before I upgraded to 2.01 - so now I have all of them in M5v2.01

Take that!

dougieb · Post by **dougieb** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:51 pm

RCory wrote:Well, it took some work, but I managed to save all the Spectrsonics stuff as .M5p before I upgraded to 2.01 - so now I have all of them in M5v2.01

Take that!

You are a bastard! - A brilliant bastard though! (LOL) Kudos for sticking it to "The Man".

dix · Post by **dix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:54 am

This is a real drag!

I can't figure out why MOTU would go out of their way to break the Spectrasonics compatibility nor have I ever been able to figure out why Spectrasonics objects to this off-label operation. M52 steps on everyone else's proprietary data, why has MOTU decided to be so accommodating to Spectrasonics?

This is all rhetorical. I'm not really looking for answer. I'm just extremely disappointed in both companies for taking away this functionality for no good reason.

...is there any way to get ahold of M5 2.0?

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:40 am

Think it through. Do you really think MOTU chose non-compatibility? I think they chose to stay out of court, myself.

Shooshie

dougieb · Post by **dougieb** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 2:00 am

Shooshie wrote:Think it through. Do you really think MOTU chose non-compatibility? I think they chose to stay out of court, myself.

Shooshie

If that is the case, then Spectrasonics is equally to blame. Perhaps if Spectrasonics had offered its customers another option in the last TWO YEARS, then maybe they would have an argument.

MOTU is lame for bowing, Spectrasonics is lame for even asking that it be revised.

~d

RCory · Post by **RCory** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:07 am

dougieb wrote: Kudos for sticking it to "The Man".

Well, sort of. I paid for all that stuff. I should be able to use my licensed samples in whatever I choose.

If Spectrasonics has issues with using it in another GUI , that's their problem. It's the same thing as loading them into a hardware sampler.

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:09 am

I can't claim to know anyone's reasons for their actions, as I don't know any of these people personally, but I've got to agree with RCory. He paid for the stuff and has not had any official support for 2 years, nor has he received any firm date as to when he might expect that support. That just plain sucks. MachFive2 gave him a ray of hope. Why let someone squash it when you have the technological option of doing something about it?

Two years? Spectrasonics has had 730 chances to do something about it, but has let the sun set on each one of those. I'm all for utilizing the accidental slip that briefly enabled users to have access again to what they paid for. Go for it! The owner of Spectrasonics should consider it a blessing in spades, as opposed to a class-action lawsuit against himself for leaving so many people empty-handed for so long.

I guess the other option would be to keep another old computer around networked into your rig just for the purpose of playing Spectrasonics stuff. Wouldn't that work, also? But it doesn't touch the convenience and utility of MachFive2. It's a universal sampler, and should live up to its title.

I'm still pretty angry at Waves for the same kind of thing. What are they waiting for? The release of Leopard? We have to upgrade to Lepoard to use our software? What if we prefer to stay in Tiger? Or if they help us in Tiger, are we going to have to wait another 2 years for Leopard? This is Wrong. Intellectual property ends where my dollar begins. If I pay for the use of that property, I darn well expect something for my dollar. Where's the ambiguity in that? Where does it say "except for those 2 years that the intellectual property holder decides to use my money while he thinks about whether or not he ever plans to let me have what I paid for."

Boy, this kind of thing riles me up.

Shooshie

dougieb · Post by **dougieb** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 12:16 pm

Hmm.. Shoosh... the more I think about this, the more pissed I get - and the more right you are. Just for fun, I talked to Spectrasonics tech support and mentioned how great it was to finally have these modules (i paid for) back.

They were rude as F**K... so, I say... let's see how humble they can get.

The UVI engine sucks and isn't ready for intel excuse just isn't cutting it anymore (especially since MSI and Ethno have been using it for a LONG time).

Eric may be a "great guy", but this was a really f'ed move. He owes every customer an apology.

homebilly · Post by **homebilly** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 3:09 pm

RCory wrote:Well, it took some work, but I managed to save all the Spectrsonics stuff as .M5p before I upgraded to 2.01 - so now I have all of them in M5v2.01

Take that!

what exactly is the procedure?
i'm on vacation at the moment and don't have my manual with me and didn't use it long enough to know what saving the files as .M5p means.

i still have 2.0

dix · Post by **dix** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 6:36 pm

Is it possible to downgrade to 2.0? Has anyone tried it?

RCory · Post by **RCory** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:03 pm

homebilly wrote:
what exactly is the procedure?
i'm on vacation at the moment and don't have my manual with me and didn't use it long enough to know what saving the files as .M5p means.

.M5p are the native format for Mach5. If you load your Spectrasonics patch into Mach5, you can then under Preset>More...

and check "create containing folder for preset and sample"

It's take a little time to do them all - or you can just do your favorites -

This also will double up on some samples because we're making separate folders to hold them all - Later you can go in and clean up...

RCory · Post by **RCory** » Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:04 pm

dix wrote:Is it possible to downgrade to 2.0? Has anyone tried it?

I've tried to replace the 2.01 plug with the 2.0 plug but it still doesn't work - it must update prefs or extensions or even write into the Spectrasonics file - I don't know

I haven't tried to reinstall from the DVD though...