22/8 time?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

The thread was about a comment I made that I wrote a piece in 22/8. You challenged that and I responded. In the process, you also questioned my judgement that I was actually writing in 22. So be it.

You may continue to post for others to read. I have stopped reading your messages. I told you what I found insulting. You either don't agree or don't get it. It really doesn't matter to me any longer. You opinion in this matter has nothing to do with the topic as far as the composer of the piece is concerned.

Flame away.

[nickysnd]

No, you failed again to point to what you find insulting. Maybe that is because there really was nothing insulting. This is precisely how it was:

I should add that the horse came before the cart. I devised the rhythmic structure and THEN figured out what it was. I had thought it was a simple 6/8; 3/4 pattern until I slowed it down and counted each eighth - so it was not trying to be "tricky" but rather simply improvising and notating.

to which I have responded with:

Let me understand correctly: first - you have written a piece, second - you have subdivided it in 6/8 3/4 6/8 2/4, and third - you have decided that your cycle counts twentytwo 8ths, therefore your signature is 22/8. Is that correct?

then, instead of responding with something like: "No, that is not correct, correct would be: first was this, second was that, and third was that.", you chose to respond with:

(not worth quoting)

Clearly, you know more than the composer. The basic unit of musical thought in the work is 22 beats long. Period. Performing the work, I don't think "6/8; 3/4, etc." [...] Please, THINK before you spew. You are wrong on all counts (no pun intended.) Facts and correct theory I am happy to discuss, [...]

That is how it was. You should have corrected my (supposedly) misreading of your post. (although there I was only recap-ing your procedure as you have initially presented it.) This way, everything would have remained cool, and we would have continued to address issues and not individuals. I can understand why you are angry as a composer - many composers consider their pieces like their private property: "don't trespass or I'll shoot!" I'm OK with that - I will never ask a question again about any of your own compositions, because you seem to be unable to detach and respond calmly to the point (Ligeti was able even to make fun of his pieces in some interviews). But I am afraid that, as a moderator, you will have to read my posts, to ensure that I am not attacking someone personally, that I am not using hate speech, and I am not displaying offending words.

Other than that, thanks for cooling it down.

Peace and Love

[npatton]

Fun stuff...

OK. I take it back. Was for awhile, though...

[AlMacMeister]

[mckelly]

(Thus you could have a set of measures as follows: 7/8, 5/8, 7/8, 3/8=22/8 ).

Actually, I can hear a pretty good groove on that...

Nice time sig - sounds like a Steve Coleman track.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

(Thus you could have a set of measures as follows: 7/8, 5/8, 7/8, 3/8=22/8 ).

Actually, I can hear a pretty good groove on that...

Nice time sig - sounds like a Steve Coleman track.

Definitely jazz or Bartok material

[mckelly]

Definitely jazz or Bartok material

Absolutely - could be an additional movement to Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta!

Gotta love Bartok - the mad Bohemian.

[nickysnd]

Absolutely - could be an additional movement to Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta!

Gotta love Bartok - the mad Bohemian.

What can be an additional movement to Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ueEpQob ... ed&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdcAo1OZ ... ed&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqZhft6h ... ed&search=
Couldn't find the 4th movement on youtube, but here is a fragment (track 9) -
http://www.amazon.ca/Bartok-Concerto-Or ... B0002TKFQS

Bartok seems to me as mad as Bohemian. In a similar way, JS Bach seems to me as mad as Bohemian.
Dvorak was surely Bohemian, and Toscanini was completely mad, sometimes, but he was a conductor - a little bit of sympathy for poor conductors, including the guy on youtube...
Mad, Bohemian, and composer... hmmm, can't think of any... Just as well as I can't think of any additional movement to Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta.
Gotta love Bartok!

Edit -
Found the mad man! However, he is neither Bohemian nor composer - "Heeere's Johnny!!" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf-S881r ... ed&search=

[mckelly]

eh, Hungarian. I had Dvorak on the brain. Or, is he Moravian?

Thank you for the courtesy of pointing out the mistake - and with such decorum too.

[nickysnd]

eh, Hungarian. I had Dvorak on the brain. Or, is he Moravian?

Thank you for the courtesy of pointing out the mistake - and with such decorum too.

I only said it seems to me that Bartok was "as mad as he was Bohemian." My point was not ethnic but ethic - the emphasis was on "mad." Bohemian, Hungarian, Moravian, Patagonian, Melanesian, etc. - one can be any of these without the slightest problem. But, mad?? What is that would make Bartok mad? The same thing that would make him Bohemian - that was my suggestion... In this sense, Bartok could be a mad Bohemian, just as well as Wagner was a funny Spaniard, and Grieg - a quirky Greek.

OTOH, I would be much interested see/hear something looking/sounding like an additional movement to Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. What were you referring to?

[mckelly]

eh, Hungarian. I had Dvorak on the brain. Or, is he Moravian?

Thank you for the courtesy of pointing out the mistake - and with such decorum too.

I only said it seems to me that Bartok was "as mad as he was Bohemian." My point was not ethnic but ethic - the emphasis was on "mad." Bohemian, Hungarian, Moravian, Patagonian, Melanesian, etc. - one can be any of these without the slightest problem. But, mad?? What is that would make Bartok mad? The same thing that would make him Bohemian - that was my suggestion... In this sense, Bartok could be a mad Bohemian, just as well as Wagner was a funny Spaniard, and Grieg - a quirky Greek.

OTOH, I would be much interested see/hear something looking/sounding like an additional movement to Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta. What were you referring to?

You are as persnickety as you are dry. "Mad" as in superlative; not "mad" as in suffering from cognitive malfunction.

My reference was to MIDI's statement regarding "Bartok material." I was inferring that I would *like* to hear an additional movement - not that there was some previously unpublished sheet music floating around.

[nickysnd]

You are as persnickety as you are dry.

As any ad hominem argument, that says nothing about me as a person. It says more about yourself instead.

I never questioned the positive or negative value that you attached to the term mad, in that particular context. I was only questioned what would be that would make Bartok mad? You have finaly provided an answer to that: "superlative." Thank you. Thanks for also making clear that you only would have liked to hear another movement to Music for Strings, Percussion and Celesta.

Posting your impression on what I "am" - I find that sort of misplaced. The only way I can respond to that is: I have no idea what you "are", and I don't think it is appropriate to make assumptions about each other as individuals. However, considering recent info, I don't exclude the possibility that you have used the terms "persnickety" and "dry" in their positive sense, just as you used the term "mad" in a superlative sense. If true, it is much appreciated, but I have to decline the honor. I am only a bohemian Madagascarian.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Where is that "ignore user" button when you need it...

[nickysnd]

Where is that "ignore user" button when you need it...

You can press one of those buttons on your avatar...

[FMiguelez]

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<sigh> Here we go again...