DP6 Wishlist

Tripi · Post by **Tripi** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 9:40 am

This thread is getting long..... so this might not make it in until DP 7 (sorry if it has already been posted). How about support for a little thing called 23.98 fps? I spend more time explaining to clients why I need my own special frame rate than I do composing for them.

simonr · Post by **simonr** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:59 am

Tripi wrote:This thread is getting long..... so this might not make it in until DP 7 (sorry if it has already been posted). How about support for a little thing called 23.98 fps? I spend more time explaining to clients why I need my own special frame rate than I do composing for them.

Just to show my ignorance:

What is 23.98 fps used for?, I had never heard of it before.

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:05 pm

simonr wrote:
Tripi wrote:This thread is getting long..... so this might not make it in until DP 7 (sorry if it has already been posted). How about support for a little thing called 23.98 fps? I spend more time explaining to clients why I need my own special frame rate than I do composing for them.
Just to show my ignorance:

What is 23.98 fps used for?, I had never heard of it before.

Me too, but I found a great explanation:

see below wrote: " The second issue arises because of the increasingly practiced recording of 24-frame (or 23.98-frame) video. When 24-frame film is transferred to 29.97 fps interlaced or 59.94 fps progressive video, it is slowed down by the same factor, running at 24 x 1/1.001, or about 23.98 fps.

In recent years, the practice of mastering to 24 (23.98) fps video, rather than 29.97 fps or 59.94 fps video, has increasingly been used. The reasons for this are apparent, in that it establishes a one-to-one correspondence between film frames and video frames. Further, the practice of shooting on 24 fps video rather than on 24 fps film has been gaining some currency in the production community.

Although nominal 23.98 fps video is being recorded, there is no 23.98 fps dropframe timecode. This has generated some process problems where conversions are required between 24 fps (nondrop) timecode and dropframe 60 Hz-based timecode.

There are efforts under way to rectify these problems, both on the standards front and on the translation-software front. This is just another facet of the "interesting times" in which we television engineers live.

Taken from here:

http://www.tvtechnology.com/features/Te ... -smp.shtml

simonr · Post by **simonr** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:12 pm

OK, many thanks.

I don't do video yet, looks like a steep learning curve.

Tripi · Post by **Tripi** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:47 pm

23.98 is mainly a product of people editing on HD video. Avid commonly outputs at 23.98 fps. This is mainly a problem with longer videos, where drift occours on longer cues. Anywayz........ it sure would be easy to just set the frame rate in DP correctly. ProTools does it.

daniel.sneed · Post by **daniel.sneed** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:42 pm

Yes MIDI life crisis, that background recording buffer would be great.

That would be fantastic for reherseals and improvisation sessions.

Could it be MIDI AND audio background tracking?

monkey man · Post by **monkey man** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 5:11 am

daniel.sneed wrote:Yes MIDI life crisis, that background recording buffer would be great.
That would be fantastic for reherseals and improvisation sessions.
Could it be MIDI AND audio background tracking?

Wrong ape, I know, but I don't see why not.
It'd simply require more buffer/RAM/disk space than the MIDI equivalent.

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:In the HELP menu, I'd like to see a link to Unicornation, where you get REAL help!

Wow, I thought of this on Thursday (Sunday to you), Magilla!
Great apes simulate thinking alike.

Actually, I just pictured a U'Nation button on the transport control "bar" thingy.
For some of us, it could well turn out to be the most used (abused?) feature.

nickysnd · Post by **nickysnd** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:21 am

Audio/Video Slow Motion Playback. Different speeds, at least 1/2 and 1/4 speed. Forward and backwards, if possible. (the mouse scrub tool is cumbersome, hard to control, and it doesn't provide constant speed, regions to loop, etc.)

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:23 am

nickysnd wrote:Audio/Video Slow Motion Playback. Different speeds, at least 1/2 and 1/4 speed. Forward and backwards, if possible. (the mouse scrub tool is cumbersome, hard to control, and it doesn't provide constant speed, regions to loop, etc.)

GREAT! Also, scrub audio when scrubbing video or a sequence!!!

Shooshie · Post by **Shooshie** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 10:07 am

Fix the AIFF problem in Bounce to Disk. It currently bounces to a file format (apparently) that nobody knows about or has ever heard of, which is called "AIFF-C/sowt." Check the Abbreviations and Acronyms post in the DP Tips Sheet for more information. Look up AIFF, AIFC, AIFF-C/sowt, PCM, and maybe some of the other fiile format definitions.

Shooshie

Michael Canavan · Post by **Michael Canavan** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:51 pm

My biggest requests,

1) record to AIFF and WAV as options instead of just SDII.

2) integrate chunks and object oriented MIDI into the sequences, or revamp the "song" structure to work as an actual song, and respond to Mackie Control and other surfaces.

I like working with Chunks to build a song, but it becomes clunky to integrate a bunch of chunks as one "sequence" so you can mix it. I often have problems with the consolidate chunks feature, but rearranging MIDI in the Sequence window is simply not as easy as in Live or Logic. If the song/chunks/sequence integration was seamless, then DP would be my number one choice for arranging, but right now there are major hurdles IMO.

3) Some sort of smart feature in the Sequencer window that kept the MIDI data in view when opening the window for the first time at least.

4) The mixer in DP was always the best, everything open to view at once, but now with V-Racks, not everything is visible if you use V-Racks. Basically either allow both V-Racks and the regular mixer to be viewed at the same time, or have an option for a mixer that allows both V-Rack and regular mixer tracks.

Every other sequencer out there has some sort of color or box like feature for different parts of a MIDI sequence to differentiate verse, chorus, break etc. DP does not, the only option for that is the song window, but the song window doesn't integrate with mix down, so something has to give here.

simonr · Post by **simonr** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:44 pm

I would like to see a "write-me-a-f%*@king-brilliant-song-that-everyone-loves-and-will-make-me-a-millionaire" button.

Oh Nurse.,. NURSE, it's happening again.

I remember when it was all fileds around here...

MIDI Life Crisis · Post by **MIDI Life Crisis** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:46 pm

simonr wrote:I would like to see a "write-me-a-f%*@king-brilliant-song-that-everyone-loves-and-will-make-me-a-millionaire" button....

You don't have one of those? Dang! I have the button, but the more I press it, the more I get an error -69 message. Maybe I should be pressing harder?

simonr · Post by **simonr** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:00 pm

Oh lord, not a -69 error, THE WORST !!

Keep at it, you'll lick it!

chrispick · Post by **chrispick** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 8:02 pm

Tripi wrote:23.98 is mainly a product of people editing on HD video. Avid commonly outputs at 23.98 fps. This is mainly a problem with longer videos, where drift occours on longer cues. Anywayz........ it sure would be easy to just set the frame rate in DP correctly. ProTools does it.

23.98 applies to standard def video as well. In fact, the whole 24/29.97 playback FPS issue stems from this film rate vs. NTSC video rate translation headache. It's been prevalent since people started editing film on an Avid and outputting video reference.