Logic Sounds as DP Software instruments...set up help

[carrythebanner]

With SF, you get the MIDI too.

How do you get the MIDI?

You don't -- Soundflower is audio only.

You'll need to use the IAC MIDI bus to send MIDI from DP to Logic.

[davel6332]

davel6332 wrote
With SF, you get the MIDI too.

How do you get the MIDI?

You don't -- Soundflower is audio only.

You'll need to use the IAC MIDI bus to send MIDI from DP to Logic.

Thanks. When I read what glea said about getting the MIDI, I couldn't figure out how in the world Soundflower would be doing that. Just curious, since I've never used the IAC MIDI bus like this. Is there any noticable MIDI latency between the two applications?

[glea]

With SF, you get the MIDI too.

How do you get the MIDI?

Well, maybe I said that wrong, or don't understand what's happening. I hooked up SF, recorded the MIDI in DP as I played a Logic organ. I edited the MIDI in DP and it played back the sounds from Logic. Seems ok to me?

[jescoelvis]

With SF, you get the MIDI too.

How do you get the MIDI?

Well, maybe I said that wrong, or don't understand what's happening. I hooked up SF, recorded the MIDI in DP as I played a Logic organ. I edited the MIDI in DP and it played back the sounds from Logic. Seems ok to me?

This is exactly what I want to do, with multiple MIDI tracks in DP controlling multiple sounds in Logic, separately, and being able to assign the audio out puts of the logic sounds to the inputs of DP audio channels...my ideal setup would be a DP audio project, with say, 8-16 MIDI tracks, controlling 8 to16 different, separate Logic sounds, and the routing of the output of those sounds going right back into DP, where you could record it as audio and maybe also monitor the sounds during recording....and then of course record regular audio in DP along with all of that.......is this what you are doing? Would you mind giving a detailed play-by-play of a set up like that, exactlyu how DP, Logic , Sunflower are configured, and tricky tricks or possible unforseen pitfalls that could drive you crazy trying to achieve this...that would be most appreciated, and don't be afraid to be overly thorough and dumb it way down////GRACIAS!!!!!

[glea]

How do you get the MIDI?

Well, maybe I said that wrong, or don't understand what's happening. I hooked up SF, recorded the MIDI in DP as I played a Logic organ. I edited the MIDI in DP and it played back the sounds from Logic. Seems ok to me?

This is exactly what I want to do, with multiple MIDI tracks in DP controlling multiple sounds in Logic, separately, and being able to assign the audio out puts of the logic sounds to the inputs of DP audio channels...my ideal setup would be a DP audio project, with say, 8-16 MIDI tracks, controlling 8 to16 different, separate Logic sounds, and the routing of the output of those sounds going right back into DP, where you could record it as audio and maybe also monitor the sounds during recording....and then of course record regular audio in DP along with all of that.......is this what you are doing? Would you mind giving a detailed play-by-play of a set up like that, exactlyu how DP, Logic , Sunflower are configured, and tricky tricks or possible unforseen pitfalls that could drive you crazy trying to achieve this...that would be most appreciated, and don't be afraid to be overly thorough and dumb it way down////GRACIAS!!!!!

this link will explain the set up very clearly (it was already posted, but a good thing is worth repeating)
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... garageband

You can monitor and/or record the audio through DP. You just have to remember to check the driver settings to make it work, or disable SoundFlower.

Another great tip from the UN.... world peace at last

[billf]

With SF, you get the MIDI too.

How do you get the MIDI?

Well, maybe I said that wrong, or don't understand what's happening. I hooked up SF, recorded the MIDI in DP as I played a Logic organ. I edited the MIDI in DP and it played back the sounds from Logic. Seems ok to me?

Remember the original idea was how to use Logic's VI's in DP. So by using Soundflower, essentially what is happening with this setup is that Logic itself is being used as VI's for DP. It's a bit messy and cumbersome, but is the workaround until/unless Apple truly makes the VI's in Logic real AU's (which ain't likely to happen).

You can do exactly the same with Garageband instruments if you have those but don't own a copy of Logic.

[jescoelvis]

How do you get the MIDI?

Well, maybe I said that wrong, or don't understand what's happening. I hooked up SF, recorded the MIDI in DP as I played a Logic organ. I edited the MIDI in DP and it played back the sounds from Logic. Seems ok to me?

Remember the original idea was how to use Logic's VI's in DP. So by using Soundflower, essentially what is happening with this setup is that Logic itself is being used as VI's for DP. It's a bit messy and cumbersome, but is the workaround until/unless Apple truly makes the VI's in Logic real AU's (which ain't likely to happen).

You can do exactly the same with Garageband instruments if you have those but don't own a copy of Logic.

OK...here's where I've gotten to, sorry for the screen shots, but they will give you an idea of what I'm trying to achieve here. In the logic window you will see that I have created a project that essentally is just a repository for 16 virtual instruments, and in the DP project I've created you'll see those 16 instruments reflected in a stereo audio track and a corresponding MIDI track for each of those 16 instruments. I've also included a shot of the sound set up window, which reflects the Soundflower software running (as does the input and output selections in the DP file).

note 1...'ve already pretty much figured out that if I'm gonna do the sounds in stereo that the 16 soundflower voices will translate into 8 stereo voices

A word about my rig...I have a MOTU 828 and a Tango 24 connected via Lightpipe. MOTU usually shows in the inputs and outputs as 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8....and the Tango24 as 9-10, 11-12, 13-14, 15-16, or some variant of that, my name in DP for channels 7-8 of the tango are Tango 7-8, and that's the stereo pair I usually do all my monitoring from (although I can bring up all 16 outs separately on the mixer).

If it's not already obvious my fantasy setup would be getting at least 8 Logic instruments to react independently to signals from DP and send their audio to inputs of 8 stereo DP audio tracks where they could be monitored, recorded and played back. I'm guessing this is somehow possible with Soundflower, but the exact configuration of all three softwares has escaped me. How which thing gets it's signal, how it's routed, how soundflower does it, it's a complicated flow chart for multiple purposes that I just can't grasp or configure, so I come to you, fellow members for help in sorting this out. I imagine if it were to work and a definite, foolproof method for doing so could be documented it would make a lot of people happy. Thanks again, M.

p.s., again, if you've gotten it to work, and can kindly explain, please don't leave out even the TINIEST detail of setup, routing, configuring, etc etc...assume I know nothing (you'll be at least half right there) and that every single thing has to be explained.

[bug67]

I set it up exactly as the instructions said ( I am using it to play GarageBand VIs in DP) It works...kinda. However, I get this horrible popping and stuttering. I raised the buffer size in both GB and DP (to max) as per Soundflower's "Read Me" file. The stutter got better or I should say it slowed down; wasn't as rapid. It was still noticeably there though. So, I'm still looking for some kind of solution. Got all those VIs sitting on GB and no real way to use 'em in DP. Been recording them in GB, exporting the audio file, importing audio file to DP.

EDIT: I just found Jack OSX: http://www.jackosx.com/
With Jack OSX, all I did was download and install. Absolutely zero configuration! Very Happy. Works perfectly.